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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7449570" data-attributes="member: 996">My problem was merely in remembering that it had been broken out from the general &quot;make stuff up&quot; vibe that permeates the game (and is not exactly foreign to RPGs in general, of course), categorized as an 'Action' (and that Fate had any formal 'action' at all, for that matter) and given a name.&nbsp; &nbsp;In 5e D&amp;D creating the advantage of Advantage by stealthing up on your victim most certainly affects the damage for a weapon attack - if you're a Rogue.&nbsp; Symptomatic of a class-based system, that.&nbsp; And it's utterly conventional.&nbsp;In the 90s, one of the wolfies (um, guys who worked for WWGS keeping up WoD's book-a-month production pace) summed this up as something along the lines of &quot;Bad rules make games good!&quot;&nbsp; Ironically, what Aldarc is selling, above, is the same kind of 'good game,' just forced on the player with a functional system that requires creativity to use, rather than a dysfunctional one, that requires creativity to avoid.&nbsp;It's very nearly a given that anyone who was introduced to RPGs in the 20th centuries (excepting those sneaking in via LARPS in the later 90s) /did/ try NWPs at some point, because they probably started with D&amp;D, and probably tried 2e at some point - they may have put them out of their minds, or been exposed to a version in OA or the Survival Guides first.&nbsp; There's little need to plead for an open mind and giving the game a chance on behalf of the industry's 500-lb gorilla.&nbsp; I'd urge you to check out some games developed in the current milinium, with an open mind... ... you may find that it's not so bad having a functional system that lets you just back up and make stuff up, either.&nbsp;Other editions of D&amp;D certainly had mechanics that made it not only viable, but desireable, to use your action to set up future actions that would be much more effective.&nbsp; They're generally spells, of course, but, again, as with the Rogue's Sneak Attack, above, that's just D&amp;D being class-based.&nbsp; They could even quite often be 'being clever'/smart-play/CaW improvisation no different in kind from tagging an aspect or whatever in Fate, but for having no mechanisms or guidance from the system to do so in a consistent manner.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7449570, member: 996"] My problem was merely in remembering that it had been broken out from the general "make stuff up" vibe that permeates the game (and is not exactly foreign to RPGs in general, of course), categorized as an 'Action' (and that Fate had any formal 'action' at all, for that matter) and given a name. In 5e D&D creating the advantage of Advantage by stealthing up on your victim most certainly affects the damage for a weapon attack - if you're a Rogue. Symptomatic of a class-based system, that. And it's utterly conventional. In the 90s, one of the wolfies (um, guys who worked for WWGS keeping up WoD's book-a-month production pace) summed this up as something along the lines of "Bad rules make games good!" Ironically, what Aldarc is selling, above, is the same kind of 'good game,' just forced on the player with a functional system that requires creativity to use, rather than a dysfunctional one, that requires creativity to avoid. It's very nearly a given that anyone who was introduced to RPGs in the 20th centuries (excepting those sneaking in via LARPS in the later 90s) /did/ try NWPs at some point, because they probably started with D&D, and probably tried 2e at some point - they may have put them out of their minds, or been exposed to a version in OA or the Survival Guides first. There's little need to plead for an open mind and giving the game a chance on behalf of the industry's 500-lb gorilla. I'd urge you to check out some games developed in the current milinium, with an open mind... ... you may find that it's not so bad having a functional system that lets you just back up and make stuff up, either. Other editions of D&D certainly had mechanics that made it not only viable, but desireable, to use your action to set up future actions that would be much more effective. They're generally spells, of course, but, again, as with the Rogue's Sneak Attack, above, that's just D&D being class-based. They could even quite often be 'being clever'/smart-play/CaW improvisation no different in kind from tagging an aspect or whatever in Fate, but for having no mechanisms or guidance from the system to do so in a consistent manner. [/QUOTE]

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