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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7449620" data-attributes="member: 996">5e has thoroughly beaten PF from the moment it came back to the market.&nbsp; (Not that PF &amp; OSR are inconsequencial, but 2nd is a long way behind 1st at this point.&nbsp; And they're both still D&amp;D, OSR still embracing the DM-mediated improv we're talking about.&nbsp; PF, admittedly, is player-entitling and optimization prone, in contrast.)&nbsp; So, yeah, top dog.&nbsp; And, 5e evokes a lot of what you're talking about, from 1e with vague rules that don't neatly cover many situations, it just does so up-front, with the presentation of it's shading of the core d20 mechanic.&nbsp; It puts the DM determining ('narrating') succes or failure /before/ any dice rolls or skill selections.&nbsp; From 3.x/PF back to 1e might've been a bit of a revelation for someone who started with e'm (if you drew a DM good who could handle the challenge) or re-revelation for someone away from the classic game for a while.&nbsp; But, IMHO, 5e offers the same epiphany (and calls it DM Empowerment).We are in the grip of a long overdue come-back of the 80s fad, yes.&nbsp; D&amp;D is back on top in a big way, and strongly reflective of the fad years.&nbsp; Other games from the 80s and even 90s are getting re-booted on kickstarter to at least some fanfare, too.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7449620, member: 996"] 5e has thoroughly beaten PF from the moment it came back to the market. (Not that PF & OSR are inconsequencial, but 2nd is a long way behind 1st at this point. And they're both still D&D, OSR still embracing the DM-mediated improv we're talking about. PF, admittedly, is player-entitling and optimization prone, in contrast.) So, yeah, top dog. And, 5e evokes a lot of what you're talking about, from 1e with vague rules that don't neatly cover many situations, it just does so up-front, with the presentation of it's shading of the core d20 mechanic. It puts the DM determining ('narrating') succes or failure /before/ any dice rolls or skill selections. From 3.x/PF back to 1e might've been a bit of a revelation for someone who started with e'm (if you drew a DM good who could handle the challenge) or re-revelation for someone away from the classic game for a while. But, IMHO, 5e offers the same epiphany (and calls it DM Empowerment). We are in the grip of a long overdue come-back of the 80s fad, yes. D&D is back on top in a big way, and strongly reflective of the fad years. Other games from the 80s and even 90s are getting re-booted on kickstarter to at least some fanfare, too. [/QUOTE]

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