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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7451406" data-attributes="member: 48965">Ah, you are correct, my bad.I'll agree that this particular use of personality traits is limited in depth insofar as it's effects mechanically on the game go (and I think this would be a positive in the situation I presented where it is a single player in a group who enjoys this type of experience vs. the entire group)... but 5e gives other options that tie a character's personality traits as well as their ideal/flaw and bonds into the game with more mechanical heft.  If a player and DM are looking for more heft then I would point them to the Personality Trait Proficiency optional rules which ties there proficiency bonus to their personality traits & their ideals, bonds and flaws.  This would be more in line with a group whose main focus is on this type of game. But if you wanted more why didn't you engage with it more?  Did you need the game to force you to engage with something you were looking for?  OAN I would suggest you try out the optional rules above, they may give you more focus and mechanical heft when it comes to these.Well I actually think it's possible to get a close and similar experience with just the rules in the DMG... but I'm also getting the feel that if something is optional in 5e (though we are discussing numerous FATE options)  it's auto-discarded by some of the posters in this discussion... irregardless of it's actual merits because... well... optional...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />  But I posted a game run by the co creator of the game... I wouldn't say this is an apt description of how that game went.  Do you believe he was running FATE incorrectly?  Me personally I'm not so sure.  I ran FATE Kerberos club and it was pretty similar to how his game played out.  Yes we used Aspects but we used our skills, stunts and superpowers more.Well the video I posted was run using just FATE core... No I think FATE Core is fine since we all have access to the SRD online.So we have an actual play... run by one of the designers which leans heavily on skills and less often on aspects...  My takeaway from that is it shows that Aspects don't have to be as integral (though I do agree they are important) to the play of the game as they might seem to some... My other takeaway is that a particular group can choose to make Aspects the focal point of play in the same way that a group playing 5e could make personality traits, ideals/flaws/bonds the focus of play. I'm still failing to see how FATE doesn't provide you with a complete game.  Yes you have to make decisions around the rules and game setting...the same way a GM has to decide if Feats are available, multiclassing is allowed and if you're playing in the Forgotten Realms or somewhere else in D&D.</blockquote>

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