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<blockquote data-quote="Sejs" data-source="post: 3258553" data-attributes="member: 4910">Mainly because I have a hard time believing that lack of propensity equals inability.&nbsp;Heh, fair enough.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> &nbsp;Right, but as above, that's the difference between saying Person A is better at math than Person B, versus Person A can perform calculations whereas Person B cannot.&nbsp; Just flat can't; no matter how hard he tries, how otherwise bright he might be, etc - to him 2 and 2 will never make 4.&nbsp;I may well have, and if I did, please by all means call me on it.&nbsp; The fallacy I'm talking of is the slippery slope: if you throw out A, then you must throw out B.&nbsp; Getting into it more would require we deal with the whole nature vs nurture vs both debate, as you mentioned.&nbsp; Acquired skills versus inherrited skills, inclination versus ability, and so on.&nbsp; Heh, which would take us both a long time, and probably not get us anywhere beyond where we are now.&nbsp; Like you said, no need to rehash it here.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> &nbsp;Fair enough, and to be honest I don't have my 1e books anymore so I can't even check.~ ~ ~&nbsp;Mostly because the lives of dwarven sheperds or cranberry farmers generally arn't worth writing about.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Leads to a completely seperate line of discussion though - dwarves eat, same as everyone else.&nbsp; You'd figure there'd have to be some dwarves ranching and farming out there somewhere, right?&nbsp; Even if it's mushrooms instead of cranberries and mountain goats instead of sheep, there would have to be some form of production in order to support a dwarven community.Topic for a different thread though, I figure.&nbsp;Nature/nurture again. *shrug*&nbsp; Also gets tied up in the Reincarnation Debate, too.&nbsp; (That is - new body, same mind: what abilities of each race do you get. What is learned by growing up elven versus what is a function of your new halfling body)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sejs, post: 3258553, member: 4910"] Mainly because I have a hard time believing that lack of propensity equals inability. Heh, fair enough. :) Right, but as above, that's the difference between saying Person A is better at math than Person B, versus Person A can perform calculations whereas Person B cannot. Just flat can't; no matter how hard he tries, how otherwise bright he might be, etc - to him 2 and 2 will never make 4. I may well have, and if I did, please by all means call me on it. The fallacy I'm talking of is the slippery slope: if you throw out A, then you must throw out B. Getting into it more would require we deal with the whole nature vs nurture vs both debate, as you mentioned. Acquired skills versus inherrited skills, inclination versus ability, and so on. Heh, which would take us both a long time, and probably not get us anywhere beyond where we are now. Like you said, no need to rehash it here. :) Fair enough, and to be honest I don't have my 1e books anymore so I can't even check. ~ ~ ~ Mostly because the lives of dwarven sheperds or cranberry farmers generally arn't worth writing about. :p Leads to a completely seperate line of discussion though - dwarves eat, same as everyone else. You'd figure there'd have to be some dwarves ranching and farming out there somewhere, right? Even if it's mushrooms instead of cranberries and mountain goats instead of sheep, there would have to be some form of production in order to support a dwarven community. Topic for a different thread though, I figure. Nature/nurture again. *shrug* Also gets tied up in the Reincarnation Debate, too. (That is - new body, same mind: what abilities of each race do you get. What is learned by growing up elven versus what is a function of your new halfling body) [/QUOTE]

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