Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What is wrong with race class limits?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 3260866" data-attributes="member: 307"><p>No, actually, you can't. Not any more than you can play a non-human being. Magical powers change the base line so dramatically that your real world experiences are simply not relevant.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This might be a valid point, except that the source material from whence these nonhuman races were derived was (and is) human imagination. Elves <em>are</em> the personification of nature-friendly humans, dwarves <em>are</em> hard drinking miners with an affinity for rock and stone - because that was how they were conceived in legends and stories. They are relatable to humans because if they were not, then they would not have made interesting characters in the tales in which they were placed.</p><p></p><p>Trying to assert that nonhumans like dwarves, elves, gnomes, and so on are so alien that they are incomprehensible to human experience misses the point. They <em>are</em> human experience, that is where they got their genesis. Making them wholly inscrutable simply makes them irrelevant as players on the stage, <em>and</em> is a betrayal of the source material that engendered them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, it would likely surprise you. Look at a game system like GURPS where you pay for your nonhuman racial abilities (it costs points to take a racial package). Lots of players play nonhuman characters in game systems like that, even though they gain no mechanical advantage by doing so.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 3260866, member: 307"] No, actually, you can't. Not any more than you can play a non-human being. Magical powers change the base line so dramatically that your real world experiences are simply not relevant. This might be a valid point, except that the source material from whence these nonhuman races were derived was (and is) human imagination. Elves [i]are[/i] the personification of nature-friendly humans, dwarves [i]are[/i] hard drinking miners with an affinity for rock and stone - because that was how they were conceived in legends and stories. They are relatable to humans because if they were not, then they would not have made interesting characters in the tales in which they were placed. Trying to assert that nonhumans like dwarves, elves, gnomes, and so on are so alien that they are incomprehensible to human experience misses the point. They [i]are[/i] human experience, that is where they got their genesis. Making them wholly inscrutable simply makes them irrelevant as players on the stage, [i]and[/i] is a betrayal of the source material that engendered them. Actually, it would likely surprise you. Look at a game system like GURPS where you pay for your nonhuman racial abilities (it costs points to take a racial package). Lots of players play nonhuman characters in game systems like that, even though they gain no mechanical advantage by doing so. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What is wrong with race class limits?
Top