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<blockquote data-quote="PapersAndPaychecks" data-source="post: 3263320" data-attributes="member: 28854">High level mattered basically for spell access (the Monster Summonings and Communes and Passwalls that you needed to complete the adventure).What you call &quot;metagaming&quot; is what I'd call &quot;tactics.&quot;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; Diff'rent strokes, etc.If I'm playing a WW2 wargame and I'm the British, I'll mass my tanks, and never mind how the Brits &quot;ought&quot; to be played.&nbsp; If I'm the Japanese I won't defend a hopeless position to the last man and the last bullet...I know some people think this means I play D&amp;D badly and wrongly.&nbsp; I get that.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Yes, but they weren't necessarily intended to be played like that after publication though.Well, the other games in town in 1978 included Tunnels and Trolls, Chivalry and Sorcery, Runequest, Traveller, and Empire of the Petal Throne (EPT being admittedly very thinly-disguised D&amp;D).There were other D&amp;D modules as well, do you remember Judges' Guild?&nbsp; White Dwarf were publishing adventures too.Sure.&nbsp; I wasn't pretending that high-level adventuring was the norm; I was merely correcting certain misinformation from previous posts.&nbsp; There were higher level adventures than S1 or GDQ, and people did enjoy playing S1 and GDQ despite the fact that these were past the &quot;name&quot; level at which it was alleged that the game &quot;broke down&quot;, and those were among the best-selling D&amp;D products of all time, and not because there were no other choices.Battlesystem wasn't mutually exclusive with play using the standard system (thank goodness -- Battlesystem sucked a lot).&nbsp; I certainly agree that the H-series showcased Battlesystem pretty hard, but I don't agree that Battlesystem replaced the rest of 1e.&nbsp; It was just supposed to provide a mechanism for resolving large-scale battles and the H-series contained more than that.I'm not defending H1-4 as modules, mind.&nbsp; I thought they were rubbish.&nbsp; All I'm doing is correcting misinformation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="PapersAndPaychecks, post: 3263320, member: 28854"] High level mattered basically for spell access (the Monster Summonings and Communes and Passwalls that you needed to complete the adventure). What you call "metagaming" is what I'd call "tactics." ;) Diff'rent strokes, etc. If I'm playing a WW2 wargame and I'm the British, I'll mass my tanks, and never mind how the Brits "ought" to be played. If I'm the Japanese I won't defend a hopeless position to the last man and the last bullet... I know some people think this means I play D&D badly and wrongly. I get that. :) Yes, but they weren't necessarily intended to be played like that after publication though. Well, the other games in town in 1978 included Tunnels and Trolls, Chivalry and Sorcery, Runequest, Traveller, and Empire of the Petal Throne (EPT being admittedly very thinly-disguised D&D). There were other D&D modules as well, do you remember Judges' Guild? White Dwarf were publishing adventures too. Sure. I wasn't pretending that high-level adventuring was the norm; I was merely correcting certain misinformation from previous posts. There [i]were[/i] higher level adventures than S1 or GDQ, and people [i]did[/i] enjoy playing S1 and GDQ despite the fact that these were past the "name" level at which it was alleged that the game "broke down", and those [i]were[/i] among the best-selling D&D products of all time, and [i]not[/i] because there were no other choices. Battlesystem wasn't mutually exclusive with play using the standard system (thank goodness -- Battlesystem sucked a lot). I certainly agree that the H-series showcased Battlesystem pretty hard, but I don't agree that Battlesystem replaced the rest of 1e. It was just supposed to provide a mechanism for resolving large-scale battles and the H-series contained more than that. I'm not defending H1-4 as modules, mind. I thought they were rubbish. All I'm doing is correcting misinformation. [/QUOTE]

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