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<blockquote data-quote="Aaron L" data-source="post: 3266816" data-attributes="member: 926">I fail to see any relevance to what you have just said.&nbsp; Most elves probably don't go adventuring and are commoners, just like humans.&nbsp; Just because elven civilians aren't any more of a match for orcs than human civilians are doesn't prove anything at all.&nbsp; From a Tolkien perspective, putting arbitrary level restrictions on PC elves so that only &quot;special&quot; NPC elves can be great heroes is in no way different than putting arbitrary level restrictions on humans so that only the likes of Aragorn can rise to great level.&nbsp; By the books, we only have evidence that Aragorn, Bormir, and a few others were beyond the power of regular humans.&nbsp; Why do you not take that as evidence that Tolkien's Men were limited?&nbsp; We get the same amount of evidence either way (in other words, none.)&nbsp; Are you really arguing that Tokiens elves were limited in power compared to humans?&nbsp; That's really silly.I was just thinking of Faenor telling Morgoth to &quot;get off my lawn!&quot; and slamming his door in his face <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aaron L, post: 3266816, member: 926"] I fail to see any relevance to what you have just said. Most elves probably don't go adventuring and are commoners, just like humans. Just because elven civilians aren't any more of a match for orcs than human civilians are doesn't prove anything at all. From a Tolkien perspective, putting arbitrary level restrictions on PC elves so that only "special" NPC elves can be great heroes is in no way different than putting arbitrary level restrictions on humans so that only the likes of Aragorn can rise to great level. By the books, we only have evidence that Aragorn, Bormir, and a few others were beyond the power of regular humans. Why do you not take that as evidence that Tolkien's Men were limited? We get the same amount of evidence either way (in other words, none.) Are you really arguing that Tokiens elves were limited in power compared to humans? That's really silly. I was just thinking of Faenor telling Morgoth to "get off my lawn!" and slamming his door in his face :) [/QUOTE]

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