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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Muench" data-source="post: 2808789" data-attributes="member: 121"><p>If you qualify for it and if it meets your character's concept, I don't think there is a single "fighter" class better than Dervish. Here's a quick breakdown of why:</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Easy (and useful) requirements to enter</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Good Ref and Will saves</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">4 skill points a level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Dervish AC bonus over time</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Great class abilities and bonus feats</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The big one: Dervish Dance. It pretty much allows you to always get a full attack action as long as your speed is high enough and you have a dance left for the day. That's HUGE. While your other party fighter is charging one round to set up for a full attack the next, you dance in, take your full attack, and dance out. Meanwhile, the other fighter has to sit there and take a full attack from the bad guy while you're safely away. Next round, if the bad guy is still within reach, the other fighter gets a full attack. But so do you.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">In addition to having a good BAB, the class gives an additional +1 to attack and damage every odd level while in a Dervish dance. So in comparison to another full BAB class, you're up +5 to hit and damage.</li> </ol><p></p><p>Now, it does have some "downsides". Can't use a shield and can't wear anything heavier than light armor. Personally, I don't see these as a big deal. Your movement should allow you to avoid most full attacks except from archers anyway. And I consider mobility much more important than heavy armor. And at higher level, a +5 mithral breastplate (29,300gp IIRC) is still +10 to AC. Your shield bonus can be covered by a Shield spell either via an item or cast from a ring of minor spellstoring. And you get an increasing AC bonus as a Dervish class feature (up to +3).</p><p></p><p>Only slashing weapons can be used while in a Dervish dance. Eh. There are a lot of good slashing weapons.</p><p></p><p>The only other downside I can think of is that it allows you to use a scimitar as a light weapon, so you can use two at once. Unfortunately, the way it is worded, it also means that you can't Power Attack with a scimitar anymore since it is a light weapon. My recommendation is to go with a two-handed weapon like a falchion.</p><p></p><p>So anyways, that's why I think Dervish is, hands down, the best fighter PrC.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, don't assume that will always be the case. Depending on what abilities you can pick up (like Wraithstrike, which allows you to resolve all attacks as touch attacks for a round, or Brilliant Energy weapons that ignore armor bonuses to AC) or what you're fighting (oozes, etc.) you might still be able to hit. Not everything has a huge AC, sometimes they just have tons of HP.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Looks good for the most part. Just remember Dervishes can't wear heavy armor without losing their abilities. And 5 ranks in Tumble (which any Dervish will have) will raise the bonus for Fighting Defensively to +3. So that, plus Elaborate Parry, plus Improved Combat Expertise and a BAB of +20 = +27 to AC for -24 to attack. Not shabby, since that's all touch AC. Good for running up to a beholder and chopping it to pieces when it can't hit your touch AC with those rays.</p><p></p><p>Bill</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bill Muench, post: 2808789, member: 121"] If you qualify for it and if it meets your character's concept, I don't think there is a single "fighter" class better than Dervish. Here's a quick breakdown of why: [list=1] [*]Easy (and useful) requirements to enter [*]Good Ref and Will saves [*]4 skill points a level [*]Dervish AC bonus over time [*]Great class abilities and bonus feats [*]The big one: Dervish Dance. It pretty much allows you to always get a full attack action as long as your speed is high enough and you have a dance left for the day. That's HUGE. While your other party fighter is charging one round to set up for a full attack the next, you dance in, take your full attack, and dance out. Meanwhile, the other fighter has to sit there and take a full attack from the bad guy while you're safely away. Next round, if the bad guy is still within reach, the other fighter gets a full attack. But so do you. [*]In addition to having a good BAB, the class gives an additional +1 to attack and damage every odd level while in a Dervish dance. So in comparison to another full BAB class, you're up +5 to hit and damage. [/list] Now, it does have some "downsides". Can't use a shield and can't wear anything heavier than light armor. Personally, I don't see these as a big deal. Your movement should allow you to avoid most full attacks except from archers anyway. And I consider mobility much more important than heavy armor. And at higher level, a +5 mithral breastplate (29,300gp IIRC) is still +10 to AC. Your shield bonus can be covered by a Shield spell either via an item or cast from a ring of minor spellstoring. And you get an increasing AC bonus as a Dervish class feature (up to +3). Only slashing weapons can be used while in a Dervish dance. Eh. There are a lot of good slashing weapons. The only other downside I can think of is that it allows you to use a scimitar as a light weapon, so you can use two at once. Unfortunately, the way it is worded, it also means that you can't Power Attack with a scimitar anymore since it is a light weapon. My recommendation is to go with a two-handed weapon like a falchion. So anyways, that's why I think Dervish is, hands down, the best fighter PrC. Actually, don't assume that will always be the case. Depending on what abilities you can pick up (like Wraithstrike, which allows you to resolve all attacks as touch attacks for a round, or Brilliant Energy weapons that ignore armor bonuses to AC) or what you're fighting (oozes, etc.) you might still be able to hit. Not everything has a huge AC, sometimes they just have tons of HP. Looks good for the most part. Just remember Dervishes can't wear heavy armor without losing their abilities. And 5 ranks in Tumble (which any Dervish will have) will raise the bonus for Fighting Defensively to +3. So that, plus Elaborate Parry, plus Improved Combat Expertise and a BAB of +20 = +27 to AC for -24 to attack. Not shabby, since that's all touch AC. Good for running up to a beholder and chopping it to pieces when it can't hit your touch AC with those rays. Bill [/QUOTE]
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