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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 748215" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>LL42: I've long ago realized that there is no telling who you are going to meet online, so far be it from me to close the option of being 180 IQ or higher to a stranger simply because it is rare. However, experience has shown me that alot of people who think that they are really smart are merely swimming in a small pond. My point was to try to bring some perspective to what the highest end of human intelligence might actually be for those that aren't actually there and possibly haven't even seen it.</p><p></p><p>One of the problems with assuming that the 3d6 bell curve approximates the range of human achievement is as you pointed out that 19 INT (higher than is possible for a starting character) would equate to roughly only normal genius. As you pointed out, 145 IQ is not _that_ rare (I know literally dozens). There are several standard deviations up above and beyond that (Of which I've known 2 fairly well, and had the fortune to meet several others. Incidently, none of the incidents related to high intelligence is made up in the slightest. The names have just been removed to protect the innocent.)</p><p></p><p>Therefore I prefer to assume that 1 INT equals roughly 10 IQ, or at least some degree of problem solving ability/memory retention as determined by some standard granting you that no single standard is going to be perfect. If heroes have better than ordinary intelligence more often than would be expected, well then, that is just the nature of being heroes.</p><p></p><p>Besides, the system is moving towards point buy anyway, which completely undermines the basis of such discussions. How many 12-15 point pb characters have 18 int? What is the standard deviation of point buy?</p><p></p><p>While I agree that quite abit of what I said is not merely raw intelligence, but education and other factors as well, however I would counter that the average genius having all those skill points to spend would usually stuff quite a few into knowledge skills. That is I think just part of the general restless couriousity of being a genious. I've yet to meet someone intelligent that didn't have a large number of ranks in some form of knowledge, albeit often a rather obscure one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 748215, member: 4937"] LL42: I've long ago realized that there is no telling who you are going to meet online, so far be it from me to close the option of being 180 IQ or higher to a stranger simply because it is rare. However, experience has shown me that alot of people who think that they are really smart are merely swimming in a small pond. My point was to try to bring some perspective to what the highest end of human intelligence might actually be for those that aren't actually there and possibly haven't even seen it. One of the problems with assuming that the 3d6 bell curve approximates the range of human achievement is as you pointed out that 19 INT (higher than is possible for a starting character) would equate to roughly only normal genius. As you pointed out, 145 IQ is not _that_ rare (I know literally dozens). There are several standard deviations up above and beyond that (Of which I've known 2 fairly well, and had the fortune to meet several others. Incidently, none of the incidents related to high intelligence is made up in the slightest. The names have just been removed to protect the innocent.) Therefore I prefer to assume that 1 INT equals roughly 10 IQ, or at least some degree of problem solving ability/memory retention as determined by some standard granting you that no single standard is going to be perfect. If heroes have better than ordinary intelligence more often than would be expected, well then, that is just the nature of being heroes. Besides, the system is moving towards point buy anyway, which completely undermines the basis of such discussions. How many 12-15 point pb characters have 18 int? What is the standard deviation of point buy? While I agree that quite abit of what I said is not merely raw intelligence, but education and other factors as well, however I would counter that the average genius having all those skill points to spend would usually stuff quite a few into knowledge skills. That is I think just part of the general restless couriousity of being a genious. I've yet to meet someone intelligent that didn't have a large number of ranks in some form of knowledge, albeit often a rather obscure one. [/QUOTE]
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