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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 1450332" data-attributes="member: 5202">The rest of your description about your players sound like good reasons for a classed system without disads, but this isn't really that big a problem IMO.  Sometimes you just aren't exactly sure WHAT you want to play, but you can eventually narrow it down to some class.  This happens to me frequently.  Hell I was designing a giant unfettered tonight for an upcoming AU game and kept redoing his feats b/c I kept having different ideas of how I wanted him to work.    Once I have the class picked out, I start rolling up the character and picking skills.  Usually by this point (or during feats at least) a character concept has started to materialize as I see his stats and his skills and such come together.  Next thing you know I have a pretty solid idea about exactly who this guy is, what his motivations are, etc.  If your players just need a helping kick in the pants to start their creative juices then its fine.  I tend to not play point buy systems largely b/c I know that I CAN do what your players do and just browse forever.  I won't do the completely laden down with disads thing (except once in Mage and the ST thought it sounded like a nice acting challenge) but I could easily sit there redesigning the character in my head forever.  Rolemaster is kinda fun the same way.  Friend of mine started us in that again last year and I made a character..my first RM guy in 2 or 3 years.  So I had a nice refresher for making characters with that first one and immediately set about to making a backup character b/c the way this group was shaping up I REALLY expected to die soon *grin*  Went from taking 4 hours for the wizard to 1 1/2 for the thief.  Hagen</blockquote>

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