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<blockquote data-quote="Pickles III" data-source="post: 6798602" data-attributes="member: 6793942">I've realised we are talking about different things since power level vs actual things that are possible. I agree obviously level 1 wizards can do things no-one can really do but they are no more powerful than other folks - you could drop a bunch of them on to the Normandy beaches &amp; they would get machine gunned like everyone else.&nbsp; I consider this trivial but its true they do warp reality. I may be doing the first thing (I don't think so but it's possible). D&amp;D is so poor at representing reality it can be hard to figure out what level you are. It has great difficulty with for example Boxing matches &amp; Bullfights / Bull dances. PCs in some cases carry out acts that are pretty implausible if not impossible like going to to toe with dragons meanwhile the highest level fighter has trouble avoiding blows from a stray dog.&nbsp; AFAIK there is no level in real life so you are starting with a disadvantage trying to map some super abstract measure like that to the real world. It does not do well with prodigious youths or the fact that athletes&nbsp; peak before age 30 &amp; so on. To my mind D&amp;D is trying to model a world very much like our own but with magic. So for me HP have to be largely not meat (so PCS are not tougher than rhinos merely better at avoiding significant damage).If the D&amp;D rules are used to underpin the physics of your game world then you will see it differently but then you would be talking about a wholly different world with only incidental resemblance to the one we inhabit so this sort of real world comparison lacks any merit. I'll give you that low level PCs are larger than life &amp; exceed expectations but I would say they just achieve the unlikely not the impossible.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pickles III, post: 6798602, member: 6793942"] I've realised we are talking about different things since power level vs actual things that are possible. I agree obviously level 1 wizards can do things no-one can really do but they are no more powerful than other folks - you could drop a bunch of them on to the Normandy beaches & they would get machine gunned like everyone else. I consider this trivial but its true they do warp reality. I may be doing the first thing (I don't think so but it's possible). D&D is so poor at representing reality it can be hard to figure out what level you are. It has great difficulty with for example Boxing matches & Bullfights / Bull dances. PCs in some cases carry out acts that are pretty implausible if not impossible like going to to toe with dragons meanwhile the highest level fighter has trouble avoiding blows from a stray dog. AFAIK there is no level in real life so you are starting with a disadvantage trying to map some super abstract measure like that to the real world. It does not do well with prodigious youths or the fact that athletes peak before age 30 & so on. To my mind D&D is [I]trying[/I] to model a world very much like our own but with magic. So for me HP have to be largely not meat (so PCS are not tougher than rhinos merely better at avoiding significant damage). If the D&D rules are used to underpin the physics of your game world then you will see it differently but then you would be talking about a wholly different world with only incidental resemblance to the one we inhabit so this sort of real world comparison lacks any merit. I'll give you that low level PCs are larger than life & exceed expectations but I would say they just achieve the unlikely not the impossible. [/QUOTE]

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