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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Djeta Thernadier" data-source="post: 1072017" data-attributes="member: 12043">Okay. This is a good place to start. I am a girl gamer and I have on several occasions on ENworld gone over my past bad experiences with gamers.One of the groups was a group of very immature guys who didn't want me to play because they (THEY not GUYS IN GENERAL) thought I would be intruding upon their "guy" time. My boyfriend at the time, was the DM of this group and that was what he told me. His gaming friends were always very rude to me, not "one of the guys" kind of rude, but [insert derogatory term for women here] kind of rude. It wasn't treating me as "one of the guys". All my life my best friends have been guys. I typically find guys (or very tomboyish women) easier to get along with than women. I don't know why. Over the years my guy friends have treated me like one of the guys and I can be raunchier than most of them any day o' the week...and proud of it.But what the guys in that group were was 1. immature and not used to women being around . 2. Jealous that I was "stealing" their DM away most of the time and angry that I had dared infringe upon their last guys only thing. And also 3. Angry that the guy dared ask if I could play. I don't think their problem was that they were male. I think it was that they were very immature for college age people. The next bad experience I had with a gaming group involved several guys and two women. The DM of that group was also someone I dated (I must be somehow drawn to DMs...).He didn't want to have me in his game because he claimed he would be unable to treat me "fairly" like everyone else and would be inclined to give me preferential treatment. The other major player in this group was one of the women, who literally drips of pretentiousness. I wasn't "goth" enough for her and so between DMboy there and Gothgirl, it was decided I was out. The rest of that group was guys and another girl (the girlfriend of one of the other players and gothgirls husband were all in the group).All the other guys were ok with the idea of my playing. One of them had quite a few arguments as to why I should be allowed to play with DMboy and well...it just got kinda weird and I left. I don't blame that on them being GUYS . I blame that on them being snobby. The girl was FAR worse. She was the sort of person who was convinced that the guys she gamed with were "hers...all them hers and hers alone!" and the idea of me "intruding" was not big on her list. She tolerated the other girl only because none of the guys ever paid any attention to her.So I guess what I'm saying is , I think maybe you should step back and see if maybe these guys are just treating you like one of the guys, and you just arent used to that. Or maybe they are just not good people to game with/hang out with.All of the guys in the game I'm now in are awesome, and I haven't met a guy on ENWorld who seemed like he had a problem like those you describe.</blockquote>

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