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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BSF" data-source="post: 1073079" data-attributes="member: 13098">Oh my word!  This thread has ballooned.  Not a real surprise.  I have been reading for two days and debating whether I have anything useful to contribute without being too long winded.  My conclusion?Not really.  The issue here is complex.  Interpersonal dynamics and all that.  I could pick just about any position stated here and support it, or shoot some holes in it.  There are so many what-if's and unknowns that it is difficult to speak in anything except very broad terms, or extremely specific.  There is no point in painting with a broad brush and there isn't enough information to explain the behavior of any given person.  Heck, the only real information we have is ho Afrodyte feels about it.Afrodyte - here is the crux of the issue.  You are probably with the wrong group of people for your gaming.  You are offering your opinions and realize that they are subjective.  Realize that there is nothing wrong with that!  Don't let anybody tell you otherwise because we are talking about how _you_ feel in this situation.The behavior that you are experiencing might be normal interaction between these people.  Many guys act like that.  They might be trying to include you in their testosterone bonding, or they might be trying to make you feel like the non-male outsider.  But really, who cares?  If you are not comfortable in the situation, get out.  Find a group that is more comfortable for you.  Djeta - From the posts I have read here on EN World, you sound like a neat person.  It would be really cool to meet you sometime.  leeann - In many ways, you sound like a friend of mine that I somehow lost contact with years ago.  It's not likely that you are that person, but it seems like you are dealing with a lot of the same issues that she was.  IMHO - Dealing with testosterone computer jerks is harder than testosterone gaming jerks.  Hang in there, you are proving that a woman can do the job.For all the other women reading & posting -  Hey!  I love the fact that more women are playing the game.  I am blessed to be in a group with 2 women who are dear friends.  I run another game for my wife and a "bunch of guys".  I haven't played in a game without at least one woman since I was 18 (so 15 years).  I wouldn't change that.  Don't put up with the jerks, get in games that you like and are comfortable in.  If you are out in my neck of the woods and are having trouble finding a comfortable game, let me know.  It might not be your cup of tea, but then again, it just might.For all the guys reading & posting - Some of you sound like you can be brutal.  I can hang with you, you better wear a cup.  For those that aren't burtal, you don't need to be.  Are you having fun with your individual games?  Great!</blockquote>

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