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<blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1074257" data-attributes="member: 8439"><p></p><p></p><p>Funny I could swear I went out of my way to say that it "no longer overlapped" rather than making any causal pronouncements... and you even quoted that part. The problem I had was not with gamers who were "once geeks, now rehabilitated" as it were, its with completely non geeky types who have come to gaming in its maturity. </p><p></p><p>I also never said that being a geek was "about gender". However, it does overlap conviniently with some gender issues. If, for instance, one was raised in a subculture where gender roles are ridigly enforced both internally and externally, and you don't "fit in", other people who don't "fit in" are going to be your best bet for people who have not internalized those strong gender roles and are more willing to deal with you as a person. Also, when a passtime is both fringe, and requires more people to be more fun, participating in that passtime is often a good way to be accepted as yourself rather than being judged on plumbing or herd mentality. As that passtime becomes less fringe, it attracts more people who apply the same old subculture judgements in addition to your ability to participate.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>*snort* sadly I don't have time to go through for the choicest examples of the tone I came into here, though the phrases "grow some stones" and "if you encounter more than one <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> a week, you're it" stick out as having been fully acceptable responses to a person feeling uncomfortable... In any case, I have a game to run.</p><p></p><p>Kahuna burger</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kahuna Burger, post: 1074257, member: 8439"] [B][/b] Funny I could swear I went out of my way to say that it "no longer overlapped" rather than making any causal pronouncements... and you even quoted that part. The problem I had was not with gamers who were "once geeks, now rehabilitated" as it were, its with completely non geeky types who have come to gaming in its maturity. I also never said that being a geek was "about gender". However, it does overlap conviniently with some gender issues. If, for instance, one was raised in a subculture where gender roles are ridigly enforced both internally and externally, and you don't "fit in", other people who don't "fit in" are going to be your best bet for people who have not internalized those strong gender roles and are more willing to deal with you as a person. Also, when a passtime is both fringe, and requires more people to be more fun, participating in that passtime is often a good way to be accepted as yourself rather than being judged on plumbing or herd mentality. As that passtime becomes less fringe, it attracts more people who apply the same old subculture judgements in addition to your ability to participate. *snort* sadly I don't have time to go through for the choicest examples of the tone I came into here, though the phrases "grow some stones" and "if you encounter more than one :):):):):):):) a week, you're it" stick out as having been fully acceptable responses to a person feeling uncomfortable... In any case, I have a game to run. Kahuna burger [/QUOTE]
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