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<blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 1078233" data-attributes="member: 7240"><p>This debate about courtesans [<em>since deleted ~ Piratecat]</em>is pathetic and insane. There is no place for courtesans as PCs in D&D because:</p><p>(a) courtesan is a charged term with a contested meaning that a minority of people are trying to rehabilitate into meaning something other than what it means for most people right now </p><p>(b) sex is not something D&D does model or should model</p><p>(c) if a player wants to play a character whose main job is to influence others to act a particular way, she should play a bard or enchanter neither of which class needs to exchange or promise to exchange fluids with anyone</p><p></p><p>I can see, though, why there is such enthusiasm for debating the couresan thing: Kahuna Burger has finally found an area of the debate in which everyone participating is so ignorant that it is vastly easier for one to allege that ENWorld is overtly sexist.</p><p></p><p>I must say, in this context, I feel rather bad about one of my posts. Although I have personally observed the dynamic of male gamers feeling insecure and freaked-out around female gamers and therefore not treating them well, I do not want to make it sound as though this problem is being created exclusively by male gamers. It does sound as though Afrodyte does attempt to import a number of non-male social behaviours into games: insisting on speaking in terms of "feelings" instead of "facts" is a tough discursive switch for men. Alleged facts can be disputed; alleged feelings cannot, for instance.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, enough from me, back to your regularly scheduled hair-pulling and eye-gouging.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fusangite, post: 1078233, member: 7240"] This debate about courtesans [[i]since deleted ~ Piratecat][/i]is pathetic and insane. There is no place for courtesans as PCs in D&D because: (a) courtesan is a charged term with a contested meaning that a minority of people are trying to rehabilitate into meaning something other than what it means for most people right now (b) sex is not something D&D does model or should model (c) if a player wants to play a character whose main job is to influence others to act a particular way, she should play a bard or enchanter neither of which class needs to exchange or promise to exchange fluids with anyone I can see, though, why there is such enthusiasm for debating the couresan thing: Kahuna Burger has finally found an area of the debate in which everyone participating is so ignorant that it is vastly easier for one to allege that ENWorld is overtly sexist. I must say, in this context, I feel rather bad about one of my posts. Although I have personally observed the dynamic of male gamers feeling insecure and freaked-out around female gamers and therefore not treating them well, I do not want to make it sound as though this problem is being created exclusively by male gamers. It does sound as though Afrodyte does attempt to import a number of non-male social behaviours into games: insisting on speaking in terms of "feelings" instead of "facts" is a tough discursive switch for men. Alleged facts can be disputed; alleged feelings cannot, for instance. Anyway, enough from me, back to your regularly scheduled hair-pulling and eye-gouging. [/QUOTE]
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