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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8454665" data-attributes="member: 63508">The 0e-1eRanger actually didn't do anything with CON though.It just had a requirement.Monk is multiple stat but all 6 wouldbe hard to design.Just remaking D&amp;D archetypes is:STRBarbarianChampionFighter*DEXFighter*MonkRangerRogueCONWarlockINTArtificer(Halfcaster)WizardWISBeastmasterClericDruidCHABardPaladinSorcererThen to recreate old popular ideas or fill in missing ideas, you can get 1-5 more classes. You really can't shrink down to less than 15 classes and not kill one of the now modern class archetypes. D&amp;D, PF, or whatever has always failed at one of them because it tries to combine concept sunder the same class and failed.And that's all before you get to idea D&amp;D avoids before it is still working on basics like psions and INT/WIS/CHA based warriors ouside of paladin.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 8454665, member: 63508"] The 0e-1eRanger actually didn't [B]do[/B] anything with CON though.It just had a requirement. Monk is multiple stat but all 6 wouldbe hard to design. Just remaking D&D archetypes is: STR Barbarian Champion Fighter* DEX Fighter* Monk Ranger Rogue CON Warlock INT Artificer (Halfcaster) Wizard WIS Beastmaster Cleric Druid CHA Bard Paladin Sorcerer Then to recreate old popular ideas or fill in missing ideas, you can get 1-5 more classes. You really can't shrink down to less than 15 classes and not kill one of the now modern class archetypes. D&D, PF, or whatever has always failed at one of them because it tries to combine concept sunder the same class and failed. And that's all before you get to idea D&D avoids before it is still working on basics like psions and INT/WIS/CHA based warriors ouside of paladin. [/QUOTE]

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