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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 2367512" data-attributes="member: 1465">Thanks, this sets the balance between the 2 spells much more clearly for me.I thought AR gave a normal ST, instead there's no ST at all. I also thought AR was a standard action, not a SWIFT, which means you can cast AR and the other spell in the same round. (a good difference for the first round at least)I don't know anymore if SV is better, because the "no ST, no SR" of AR is frankly quite disarming. Basically you give up 1 move action (not even a round...) and one 4th level slots to dramatically increase your chances of hitting a monster with SR. A +10 bonus probably means that you win SR almost always; I can't say what's the typical SR score of monsters you usually meet, but I think it's 2-4 higher than your caster level typically, or is it much more usually?</blockquote>