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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 111762" data-attributes="member: 259">Well, that's kind of a good point, though your numbers are off, I think.&nbsp; First, it's not unreasonable for one of the rogues in this group to have a CHA of 22 (start with a CHA of 16, +2 ability points, +4 from a magic item).&nbsp; Add in +2 circumstance bonus from spellcraft and a guidance spell (use another scroll), and you're talking about a skill bonus of +23 (12 ranks, +6 ability, +2 decipher script synergy, +2 spellcraft synergy).&nbsp; If you're reading things right, then the rogue has to roll 11 or better.But the way I read it, the rogue would need to roll a 14 or better to emulate a caster level of 17 and be able to use the item successfully.&nbsp; If he doesn't roll that well, then he'll also need to make a caster check to use the scroll.&nbsp; At worst, he'll roll a 1 on his UMD check, meaning he has an effective caster level of 4 (23+1-20), and will need to roll a 13 or better on his caster check.He can add a few other bonuses into this mix, I believe.&nbsp; A scroll of prayer will provide a luck bonus; if someone brought along their bard3 cohort, he can get another +2 competence bonus.&nbsp; At this point, he needs an 11 or better on the original check to succeed outright; at any rate, he needs a combined 11 on 2d20, giving him a slightly better than 50% chance of pulling this trick off.This does make it more complicated, and probably the group's best bet is to beg borrow or steal a wish or miracle from another source.&nbsp; Imagine this:&quot;O Highest Priest of Pelor, the countryside is being spoiled by the Tarrasque.&nbsp; Thousands are dying.&nbsp; Surely Pelor does'nt approve.&nbsp; If you will consent to sit on our flying carpet while we kill the beast, and pray for a miracle to finish it off, we will repay the church with a full third of the spoils of the battle, as well as all the credit for ridding the land of such a monster.&quot;Shouldn't be TOO hard a sell, as these things go.Daniel</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 111762, member: 259"] Well, that's kind of a good point, though your numbers are off, I think. First, it's not unreasonable for one of the rogues in this group to have a CHA of 22 (start with a CHA of 16, +2 ability points, +4 from a magic item). Add in +2 circumstance bonus from spellcraft and a guidance spell (use another scroll), and you're talking about a skill bonus of +23 (12 ranks, +6 ability, +2 decipher script synergy, +2 spellcraft synergy). If you're reading things right, then the rogue has to roll 11 or better. But the way I read it, the rogue would need to roll a 14 or better to emulate a caster level of 17 and be able to use the item successfully. If he doesn't roll that well, then he'll also need to make a caster check to use the scroll. At worst, he'll roll a 1 on his UMD check, meaning he has an effective caster level of 4 (23+1-20), and will need to roll a 13 or better on his caster check. He can add a few other bonuses into this mix, I believe. A scroll of prayer will provide a luck bonus; if someone brought along their bard3 cohort, he can get another +2 competence bonus. At this point, he needs an 11 or better on the original check to succeed outright; at any rate, he needs a combined 11 on 2d20, giving him a slightly better than 50% chance of pulling this trick off. This does make it more complicated, and probably the group's best bet is to beg borrow or steal a wish or miracle from another source. Imagine this: "O Highest Priest of Pelor, the countryside is being spoiled by the Tarrasque. Thousands are dying. Surely Pelor does'nt approve. If you will consent to sit on our flying carpet while we kill the beast, and pray for a miracle to finish it off, we will repay the church with a full third of the spoils of the battle, as well as all the credit for ridding the land of such a monster." Shouldn't be TOO hard a sell, as these things go. Daniel [/QUOTE]

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