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<blockquote data-quote="SpikeyFreak" data-source="post: 113539" data-attributes="member: 705">Well, I've just partially scanned the thread, so I' hoping I'm about to add something new:Even if you are contributing to a flank, you don't get a flanking bonus if you are not attacking with a melee weapon.&nbsp; Having an ally on the opposite side of an enemy doesn't give you + to hit with a ranged attack.Yes, a rogue 9/sorc 1 who is imp. invis'd and hasted can do more damage than a barbarian 10.&nbsp; Now give the barbarian haste and imp. invis. and see what happens.All WotC splat books are official rules.&nbsp; Saying that anything non-core is not official is just silly and saying that a player who uses stuff from them is a twink is dumb because a) twink doesn't mean that and b) using the suppliments is why they are there.A rogue with a ring of blinking and the expert tactician feat is an effective combatant and certainly not munchkin because of those two things.Also, a rogue with no sorcerer levels DOESN'T have to get right next to the giant, and he CAN reach its vitals.&nbsp; Have you ever heard of this thing called a bow?&nbsp; Like haste, its in the PHB.Why is a ray of frost to the face so hard to imagine doing a lot of damage?&nbsp; Would a laser to the face do more damage IRL than a laser to, say, the hand?&nbsp; Well, a ray of frost is like a laser that is cold instead of hot.&nbsp; Why is that so hard to imagine?--Quiet Spikey</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SpikeyFreak, post: 113539, member: 705"] Well, I've just partially scanned the thread, so I' hoping I'm about to add something new: Even if you are contributing to a flank, you don't get a flanking bonus if you are not attacking with a melee weapon. Having an ally on the opposite side of an enemy doesn't give you + to hit with a ranged attack. Yes, a rogue 9/sorc 1 who is imp. invis'd and hasted can do more damage than a barbarian 10. Now give the barbarian haste and imp. invis. and see what happens. All WotC splat books are official rules. Saying that anything non-core is not official is just silly and saying that a player who uses stuff from them is a twink is dumb because a) twink doesn't mean that and b) using the suppliments is why they are there. A rogue with a ring of blinking and the expert tactician feat is an effective combatant and certainly not munchkin because of those two things. Also, a rogue with no sorcerer levels DOESN'T have to get right next to the giant, and he CAN reach its vitals. Have you ever heard of this thing called a bow? Like haste, its in the PHB. Why is a ray of frost to the face so hard to imagine doing a lot of damage? Would a laser to the face do more damage IRL than a laser to, say, the hand? Well, a ray of frost is like a laser that is cold instead of hot. Why is that so hard to imagine? --Quiet Spikey [/QUOTE]

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