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<blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8007403" data-attributes="member: 7019027">Adam, on average, would have 80hp without con. Let's say he has a +3 con, just to be generous. That puts him on average of 140hp. When Adam made Bob, Bob now has 70hp. It would be a spiral of maximum health if they simulacrum from each other. So conan, dirk, and erik also has 70hp. It's not a stretch to say that the dream team of wizards go first. 2 of the squad has nothing above 6th level and Adam has all his spell slots. It's a powerful start indeed. So it would be fair that the sorcerer spends his time casting Etherealness. Right? So the battle starts with the team of wizards having to face an ethereal sorcerer. There's certainly some things they can try to do to get around this, but they can be a bit convoluted. The wizard may not even know the battle begun. The sorcerer uses his action to reappear and uses Quicken Meteor Swarm. Now the average of each hit is actually the average HP of Bob, the original spellcaster. So each simulacrum has very low odds of surviving. If any of the boosted snowmen decide to counterspell, the sorcerer subtle counterspells back.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Asisreo, post: 8007403, member: 7019027"] Adam, on average, would have 80hp without con. Let's say he has a +3 con, just to be generous. That puts him on average of 140hp. When Adam made Bob, Bob now has 70hp. It would be a spiral of maximum health if they simulacrum from each other. So conan, dirk, and erik also has 70hp. It's not a stretch to say that the dream team of wizards go first. 2 of the squad has nothing above 6th level and Adam has all his spell slots. It's a powerful start indeed. So it would be fair that the sorcerer spends his time casting Etherealness. Right? So the battle starts with the team of wizards having to face an ethereal sorcerer. There's certainly some things they can try to do to get around this, but they can be a bit convoluted. The wizard may not even know the battle begun. The sorcerer uses his action to reappear and uses Quicken Meteor Swarm. Now the average of each hit is actually the average HP of Bob, the original spellcaster. So each simulacrum has very low odds of surviving. If any of the boosted snowmen decide to counterspell, the sorcerer subtle counterspells back. [/QUOTE]

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