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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8008548" data-attributes="member: 6987520">ALL metagmagics (except Empower Spell) occur &quot;When you cast a spell&quot; (it literally is the first text for all of them, except Empower Spell as noted), not before you start casting it. It occurs simultaneously. Metamagic allows you change the spell as you cast it. There is no issue with that.You cannot cast a spell with a triggering event before it is triggered. That is why you can't cast Shield on your turn. You haven't been hit by an attack nor targeted by Magic Missile. If you can't cast the spell, you can't apply the benefits of Distant Spell to it.Distant Spell is still awesome even if it can't be used on a handful of spells that have a range. Sorcerer can still Subtle Spell Counterspell which is awesome in its own right. Given all the issues that arise from Counterspell in general, understanding this makes it more reasonable. I mean, I have read a lot on message boards about DMs and tables that simple remove Counterspell completely because it is too powerful, especially in such instances.As a note, the fact the Empower Spell occurs when your roll damage is the very reason why it is the only metamagic that can be applied after another metamagic was applied during the casting of the spell.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8008548, member: 6987520"] ALL metagmagics (except Empower Spell) occur "When you cast a spell" (it literally is the first text for all of them, except Empower Spell as noted), not before you start casting it. It occurs simultaneously. Metamagic allows you change the spell as you cast it. There is no issue with that. You cannot cast a spell with a triggering event before it is triggered. That is why you can't cast Shield on your turn. You haven't been hit by an attack nor targeted by Magic Missile. If you can't cast the spell, you can't apply the benefits of Distant Spell to it. Distant Spell is still awesome even if it can't be used on a handful of spells that have a range. Sorcerer can still Subtle Spell Counterspell which is awesome in its own right. Given all the issues that arise from Counterspell in general, understanding this makes it more reasonable. I mean, I have read a lot on message boards about DMs and tables that simple remove Counterspell completely because it is too powerful, especially in such instances. As a note, the fact the Empower Spell occurs when your roll damage is the very reason [I]why[/I] it is the only metamagic that can be applied after another metamagic was applied [I]during[/I] the casting of the spell. [/QUOTE]

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