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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8541555" data-attributes="member: 6987520">But it doesn't really, does it?Which is why the threads exist about helping fighters improve and/or nerfing wizards.&nbsp; <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging&nbsp; &nbsp; :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> For example, cantrips scale at 17th level, allowing wizards (and others) to deal 4 dice of damage, but fighters don't get a 4th attack until 20th level... It makes little sense IMO because otherwise they match up (5th is 2 dice and 2 attacks, 11th is 3 dice and 3 attacks), but not that last increase. Yes, they get to surge, but with 2.5 rounds per encounter over 8 encounters you have maybe 6 surges in 20 rounds during the day. Meanwhile, by higher levels, the amount of damage dealing spells wizards have totally outstrip any damage a fighter might do.And, of course, as I said, unless you are dungeon crawling or doing an infiltration mission, IME you rarely come even remotely close to 8 encounters a day.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8541555, member: 6987520"] But it doesn't really, does it? Which is why the threads exist about helping fighters improve and/or nerfing wizards. 🤷‍♂️ For example, cantrips scale at 17th level, allowing wizards (and others) to deal 4 dice of damage, but fighters don't get a 4th attack until 20th level... It makes little sense IMO because otherwise they match up (5th is 2 dice and 2 attacks, 11th is 3 dice and 3 attacks), but not that last increase. Yes, they get to surge, but with 2.5 rounds per encounter over 8 encounters you have maybe 6 surges in 20 rounds during the day. Meanwhile, by higher levels, the amount of damage dealing spells wizards have totally outstrip any damage a fighter might do. And, of course, as I said, unless you are dungeon crawling or doing an infiltration mission, IME you rarely come even remotely close to 8 encounters a day. [/QUOTE]

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