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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8541861" data-attributes="member: 84112">I can't beleive I have to say this... but if there is even a chance that 1 action from a wizard is effective for 2 rounds isn't that already showing a big discounnect from the fighter? And a DC 19 can be anywhere from a breeze to an almost can't make... with bounded accuracy even CR 20+ can have a +2 or +3 save or two... now it isn't guaranteed to always be able to target the right save (and legendary resist throws more of kink into tryng to figure out what can and can;t work) but to think that the argument that &quot;That 1st level spell might only stop the enemy from attacking for 1 round not many&quot; is at all a thing seems weird to me...again that is the 1 thing (well one of 2 things cause they can take damage too just not as well as a self healer or barbarian) they excel at doing damage... the problem is that a few big damage spells can catch the wizard up, and even if the wizard NEVER throws a damage spell they have many other ways to circumvent or ignore combat encounters... and outside of combat the fighter chasie doesn't have soemthing wizard doesn't</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8541861, member: 84112"] I can't beleive I have to say this... but if there is even a chance that 1 action from a wizard is effective for 2 rounds isn't that already showing a big discounnect from the fighter? And a DC 19 can be anywhere from a breeze to an almost can't make... with bounded accuracy even CR 20+ can have a +2 or +3 save or two... now it isn't guaranteed to always be able to target the right save (and legendary resist throws more of kink into tryng to figure out what can and can;t work) but to think that the argument that "That 1st level spell might only stop the enemy from attacking for 1 round not many" is at all a thing seems weird to me... again that is the 1 thing (well one of 2 things cause they can take damage too just not as well as a self healer or barbarian) they excel at doing damage... the problem is that a few big damage spells can catch the wizard up, and even if the wizard NEVER throws a damage spell they have many other ways to circumvent or ignore combat encounters... and outside of combat the fighter chasie doesn't have soemthing wizard doesn't [/QUOTE]

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