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what level spell is this new spell: undead lieutenant + Int bonus
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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 3994522" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>I'm looking to create a spell that functions exactly like <em>undead lieutenant</em> (Spell Compendium) except that it also has a very small touch of <em>animate undead</em> (Spell Compendium). Basically, it also grants the targeted undead 1d6 + 4 Int for the duration (still just 1 day) if it is a non-intelligent undead (subject to the same restrictions as <em>animate undead</em>). The effect, of course, is that you can bless one of your skeletal or zombie minions with this spell, instead of finding/commanding a "better" undead to do so. (I think the name could just be "greater undead lieutenant," although some other rank might be neat too.)</p><p></p><p>Undead Lt. is a 3rd level spell, and this spell does more than that - so clearly it should be 4th level or above. But animate is a 7th level spell and works on a huge radius of creatures AND is permanent - so I think it should clearly be lower than 7th level. That gives a range of 4th, 5th, or possibly 6th.</p><p></p><p>The spell's effect is also a bit better than fox's cunning, since it grants more Int for a longer duration - and I'm fairly sure fox's cunning wouldn't work on a mindless creature anyway (but I could be wrong) - but this bonus is also severely limited to a mindless, undead target. So another way to look at it is that we're basically adding a 3rd level spell to a possibly-better-but-maybe-worse-than 2nd level spell, in some respects.</p><p></p><p>My gut tells me that 4th level should be fine, but I wonder if it should be 5th. Any thoughts, suggestions?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 3994522, member: 9789"] I'm looking to create a spell that functions exactly like [I]undead lieutenant[/I] (Spell Compendium) except that it also has a very small touch of [I]animate undead[/I] (Spell Compendium). Basically, it also grants the targeted undead 1d6 + 4 Int for the duration (still just 1 day) if it is a non-intelligent undead (subject to the same restrictions as [I]animate undead[/I]). The effect, of course, is that you can bless one of your skeletal or zombie minions with this spell, instead of finding/commanding a "better" undead to do so. (I think the name could just be "greater undead lieutenant," although some other rank might be neat too.) Undead Lt. is a 3rd level spell, and this spell does more than that - so clearly it should be 4th level or above. But animate is a 7th level spell and works on a huge radius of creatures AND is permanent - so I think it should clearly be lower than 7th level. That gives a range of 4th, 5th, or possibly 6th. The spell's effect is also a bit better than fox's cunning, since it grants more Int for a longer duration - and I'm fairly sure fox's cunning wouldn't work on a mindless creature anyway (but I could be wrong) - but this bonus is also severely limited to a mindless, undead target. So another way to look at it is that we're basically adding a 3rd level spell to a possibly-better-but-maybe-worse-than 2nd level spell, in some respects. My gut tells me that 4th level should be fine, but I wonder if it should be 5th. Any thoughts, suggestions? [/QUOTE]
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