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<blockquote data-quote="UD" data-source="post: 160968" data-attributes="member: 316">On theological grounds: not quite true.(before I will continue, I would like to point out that these are my beleifs, and I do not wish to force them down anyones throats. you are al entitled to believe what you want. Just straightening a few things out).All the disciples were berrated by Jesus for their lack of faith. Thomas especially becuase he wasnt with the others and refused to believe till he viewed Jesus himself.John 20 vs 24-29:24&nbsp;&nbsp; Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.25&nbsp;&nbsp; So the other disciples told him, &quot;We have seen the Lord!&quot; But he said to them, &quot;Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.&quot;26&nbsp;&nbsp; A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, &quot;Peace be with you!&quot;27&nbsp;&nbsp; Then he said to Thomas, &quot;Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.&quot;28&nbsp;&nbsp; Thomas said to him, &quot;My Lord and my God!&quot;29&nbsp;&nbsp; Then Jesus told him, &quot;Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.&quot;Jesus would not be offended about those who start to believe without 100% proof, he blesses them. (See the above scripture)Being a Christian is as you say a Faith, its about taking a step into uncertinty. But its not just about believeing that God exists, its about having a relationship with him. The apostles and christians who followed all through to present times worked mircales not only as proof to others but because God told those who followed him to heal the sick, feed the hungry and help those who are oppressed. He gave other gifts or 'miricles' such as prophecy, speaking in tounges etc to help his church grow and to encourage and guide them. Paul says in Romans (read Chapters 3 and 4) that we [humans] can only get into heaven by faith alone, not by doing good deeds.&nbsp; James writes in James 2vs14-26 that faith, true faith prvokes good deeds from you, because you want to love God and share this with others. Jesus came to serve others, and we should follow his example by doing this.All I can say is that if you want proof that God is real, pray to him and approach with an open mind and ask him [God] to prove it, Im sure you will be surprised with the result.[This is what I believe, and I do not wish to offend anyone.]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="UD, post: 160968, member: 316"] On theological grounds: not quite true. (before I will continue, I would like to point out that these are my beleifs, and I do not wish to force them down anyones throats. you are al entitled to believe what you want. Just straightening a few things out). All the disciples were berrated by Jesus for their lack of faith. Thomas especially becuase he wasnt with the others and refused to believe till he viewed Jesus himself. John 20 vs 24-29: 24 Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." 26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." 28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Jesus would not be offended about those who start to believe without 100% proof, he blesses them. (See the above scripture) Being a Christian is as you say a Faith, its about taking a step into uncertinty. But its not just about believeing that God exists, its about having a relationship with him. The apostles and christians who followed all through to present times worked mircales not only as proof to others but because God told those who followed him to heal the sick, feed the hungry and help those who are oppressed. He gave other gifts or 'miricles' such as prophecy, speaking in tounges etc to help his church grow and to encourage and guide them. Paul says in Romans (read Chapters 3 and 4) that we [humans] can only get into heaven by faith alone, not by doing good deeds. James writes in James 2vs14-26 that faith, true faith prvokes good deeds from you, because you want to love God and share this with others. Jesus came to serve others, and we should follow his example by doing this. All I can say is that if you want proof that God is real, pray to him and approach with an open mind and ask him [God] to prove it, Im sure you will be surprised with the result. [This is what I believe, and I do not wish to offend anyone.] [/QUOTE]

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