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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mad Mac" data-source="post: 2375483" data-attributes="member: 27873">Heh. Although if I recall right, the Japanese samurai didn't do all that badly. Well, at least by a "Mongols whipped everyone, so it's just a matter of how bad you got stomped on" standard.  (And the Knights, as previously mentioned, were obviously brutal in the event they cornered anyone)  The Samurai were horse archers too, after all. The difference being that they tended to fight as individual combatants, and were reportedly baffled by the mass-firing and other group tatics of the mongols. In any event, they reputedly held the mongols back a few days before the freak typhoon came and smashed the mongol fleet, though they were pretty certain that their defeat was inevitible before then.  They put up a  better fight the second time, when the samurai sailed out in small boats and ambushed the mongols before they could land. Come to think of it, getting attacked unexpectedly, while probably unarmored and poorly armed, in cramped quarters, by suicidal nutjobs flailing around with katanas would probably meet anyones standard of a really, really bad way to start your day. Again though, they got saved by a sudden tsunami, at which point the Mongols decided they were soooooo not worth the effort of conquering. I'd hate to be the guy who had to report back to the head Kahn on that one, though. "Uh, yeah...Remember that one of a kind, never again in your lifetime, freak tsunami out of nowhere  incident? It had a twin sister..."  On the Mongols themselves, I'll just agree with the above, while noting that they were unique in that they conquered virtually everything, but with no real ability to mantain their empire...they created nothing, and their military might was tied directly to a native culture that couldn't possibly sustain the number of troops needed to control the empire forever. Not to mention the need for a strong central leader.</blockquote>

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