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<blockquote data-quote="Joe Liker" data-source="post: 6409751" data-attributes="member: 6777505">Not sure why you're dancing on the edge of an edition war, but &quot;4e did it, so it must suck&quot; isn't much of an argument. &quot;Stock and trade&quot; is even weaker -- as we all know, a lot of D&amp;D traditions have been left behind, and I think most of us here feel 5e is better for it. Sure, the first +1 weapon you ever got was cool because it was better than anything you had ever owned. After that, BORING. A +3 fire brand wasn't awesome because it was +3; it was awesome because it could burst into flames.Anyway, I don't recall advocating a &quot;plethora&quot; of powers for every item. I think one really cool, thematic power per item is plenty. Coupled with the fact that you can only attune three powerful items at a time, and you have some interesting character decisions in the works.What bogs things down is when every character has to have every slot filled, so that you become a walking magical arsenal. Pluses only add to the misery because, when pluses are common, a lot of players feel like they are being penalized if they don't have them.But nowadays, that's all in the hands of the DM. Magic items are no longer an integral part of a character's build; they are once again a wonder and a privilege rather than an entitlement. I'd rather have them be truly magical and wondrous -- to me, putting pluses everywhere moves the needle back toward the entitlement zone. It's math where no math is needed, and I feel like 5e is a game that has worked very hard to strip that away.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Joe Liker, post: 6409751, member: 6777505"] Not sure why you're dancing on the edge of an edition war, but "4e did it, so it must suck" isn't much of an argument. "Stock and trade" is even weaker -- as we all know, a lot of D&D traditions have been left behind, and I think most of us here feel 5e is better for it. Sure, the first +1 weapon you ever got was cool because it was better than anything you had ever owned. After that, BORING. A +3 fire brand wasn't awesome because it was +3; it was awesome because[I] it could burst into flames.[/I] Anyway, I don't recall advocating a "plethora" of powers for every item. I think one really cool, thematic power per item is plenty. Coupled with the fact that you can only attune three powerful items at a time, and you have some interesting character decisions in the works. What bogs things down is when every character has to have every slot filled, so that you become a walking magical arsenal. Pluses only add to the misery because, when pluses are common, a lot of players feel like they are being penalized if they don't have them. But nowadays, that's all in the hands of the DM. Magic items are no longer an integral part of a character's build; they are once again a wonder and a privilege rather than an entitlement. I'd rather have them be truly magical and wondrous -- to me, putting pluses everywhere moves the needle back toward the entitlement zone. It's math where no math is needed, and I feel like 5e is a game that has worked very hard to strip that away. [/QUOTE]

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