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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rod Staffwand" data-source="post: 6834841" data-attributes="member: 6776279">I'm all over the place on this one. It REALLY depends on the setting and magic's place in it. 5E is pretty good for middle-of-the-road and generic fantasy, but I'm not a fan of cantrips and the spell lists in general. But the 5E spell slot system is probably the best spell points that aren't spell points non-Vancian yet still Vancian system I've seen. And I've seen one.I'd do a lot more invasive work on 5E to get it to where I like it, but it's not really necessary since I've already home-brewed other editions and I can just play those.I'm mulling over doing a game with Hyper-Vancian. Wherein a high-level mage might memorize 5 or 10 spells. Maybe 1 per odd level. Lots of odd and esoteric spells that need to be unearthed in dusty tomes. Memorization times of 1 hour per spell or even 1 hour per spell level. Make magic such a hassle that only the curious, the insane or the desperate would make a study of it. I really like the sound of that.</blockquote>