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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6838407" data-attributes="member: 6689464">Kinda late for party...TO me they are basically the same, and sorcerer is completely orthogonal to this discussion as they have never been vancian and don't use Neo-Vancian.too differetn form what I think sorcerers should be. But yes Warlocks and Clerics are basically the same to me too.I have a compromise. Spells take long times to cast, but when you prepare them, you basically seal them until you need them. Now due to the complex way the world works, the gestures needed to unlock each spell are unique, and you need to memorize them each time, because they aren't the same gestures and words each time. If you forget the gestures, the spell is lost. And once you cast you don't really forget the spell, but rather you need to forget the gestures and words.I have similar but diffferent ideas, maybe wizards need to copy spells from a creature each time they learn? if you want blink, you need to dissect lots of blink dogs, If you want fly, the same with pixies, If you want fireball, good luck with killing red dragons, If you need a spell that mends items or opens locks, you need to dissect a sorcerer who naturally developed the spell...</blockquote>