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<blockquote data-quote="ShinHakkaider" data-source="post: 9280725" data-attributes="member: 9213"><p>There are probably pages and pages of people talking about horrible or bad GMs. But not NEARLY enough talking about bad players so that' 's where my focus is going to be. </p><p></p><p>Not going to discuss the obvious things like bad hygiene, or lack of respect for other people's time. Those are attributes that make them questionable people and have not a lot to do with actual play. </p><p></p><p>Crappy players? <strong>Spotlight hogs</strong>. <strong>Rules Lawyers</strong> who cite rules for their benefit and their benefit ONLY. <strong>Lore obsessives</strong> (one of the reasons I stopped running FR campaigns almost 30 years ago). The FR novel that you read has NO IMPACT on the game we're playing right now. Please stop trying to tell me that "so and so NPC wouldn't be here at this point" because of something that happened in a book you read. GTFOH with that. If you're doing it to be helpful (and I can tell the difference) I have a lot more patience for it. But if you're doing it to show off your vast lore knowledge and kill any forward momentum of the game we're trying to play? Nah. BYE. </p><p></p><p>Players who are more concerned with breaking the game than playing the game. I get that it's a style of play. Just keep that style of play FAR TF away from me. </p><p></p><p>Players who ignore the fact that games like D&D and Pathfinder are TEAM games. They're not gracious with their fellow players, including the GM, and only care about their own enjoyment. GARBAGE Players are often GARBAGE People. The best games I've run and played in have been with people who interact, encourage, and make space for other people at the table to shine. Rules Lawyers who know the game well and correct and inform the rules for EVERYONE at the table even when it doesn't benefit them ARE AWESOME. </p><p></p><p>Cheaters are pretty much an instant eject from my table. I don't care about the why. I CAN'T TRUST YOU. If you cheat over something that small I don't know what else you'll be dishonest about and I won't have that around me. I'd rather have a bunch of newbies who are decent people than sit at a table with an experienced yet amoral player. I can teach the newbies the game. I can't teach someone morality and why they should play fair and not cheat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ShinHakkaider, post: 9280725, member: 9213"] There are probably pages and pages of people talking about horrible or bad GMs. But not NEARLY enough talking about bad players so that' 's where my focus is going to be. Not going to discuss the obvious things like bad hygiene, or lack of respect for other people's time. Those are attributes that make them questionable people and have not a lot to do with actual play. Crappy players? [B]Spotlight hogs[/B]. [B]Rules Lawyers[/B] who cite rules for their benefit and their benefit ONLY. [B]Lore obsessives[/B] (one of the reasons I stopped running FR campaigns almost 30 years ago). The FR novel that you read has NO IMPACT on the game we're playing right now. Please stop trying to tell me that "so and so NPC wouldn't be here at this point" because of something that happened in a book you read. GTFOH with that. If you're doing it to be helpful (and I can tell the difference) I have a lot more patience for it. But if you're doing it to show off your vast lore knowledge and kill any forward momentum of the game we're trying to play? Nah. BYE. Players who are more concerned with breaking the game than playing the game. I get that it's a style of play. Just keep that style of play FAR TF away from me. Players who ignore the fact that games like D&D and Pathfinder are TEAM games. They're not gracious with their fellow players, including the GM, and only care about their own enjoyment. GARBAGE Players are often GARBAGE People. The best games I've run and played in have been with people who interact, encourage, and make space for other people at the table to shine. Rules Lawyers who know the game well and correct and inform the rules for EVERYONE at the table even when it doesn't benefit them ARE AWESOME. Cheaters are pretty much an instant eject from my table. I don't care about the why. I CAN'T TRUST YOU. If you cheat over something that small I don't know what else you'll be dishonest about and I won't have that around me. I'd rather have a bunch of newbies who are decent people than sit at a table with an experienced yet amoral player. I can teach the newbies the game. I can't teach someone morality and why they should play fair and not cheat. [/QUOTE]
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