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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lutecius" data-source="post: 4187990" data-attributes="member: 60332"><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/1.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":1:" title="One    :1:" data-shortname=":1:" /> Song magic with powerful but subtle effects like charms, enchantments and divination. I guess illusion and healing are ok, blasts and flying are not.If they make specialist casters such as Illusionist and Necromancer classes of their own, the new Enchanter should be the Bard, NOT the Psion, like some designer suggested.Charisma based inspiration and a lot of what the Warlord does actually, should have been bardic powers, but with a much better justification: it’s magic! I wish they’d give that wargamey [successful hit = random bonus/movement] routine a rest, though.Animating plants or elements at higher level is very bardish too. Those nature powers should have been the Druid's shtick but he's going to be a weather-controlling shape-changer and won't get nature allies anymore :\If they wanted focussed classes, they should have gone with:Druid=Controller, Bard=Leader, ShamanicShapechanger=Striker or Defender<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/2.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":2:" title="Two    :2:" data-shortname=":2:" /> Lots of social skills, theoretical knowledge but NOT automatical physical or thieving skills.Bards have nothing to do with Jack-of-all-trades. If you want one, make some spell casting rogue or ninja, but call it something else. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/3.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":3:" title="Three    :3:" data-shortname=":3:" /> I know I've said this in almost every thread about the bard, but this one is particularly appropriate: NO F<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" />ING OTHERWORLDLY PATRONS!Oh, and S.Rouse and I clearly don't have the same idea of what a <a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=220582&page=1&pp=30/" target="_blank">cool bard</a> is. El Mariachi....really...pshh</blockquote>

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