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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SkidAce" data-source="post: 5106466" data-attributes="member: 7706">I have used variations of the immortals from the basic sets in nearly every campaign I have run over the years.Basically, you are a god if you manage to "transcend existence" and become one with some facet or force of the universe.  So Pelor managed to blend his existence with "sunlight" and "strength".  He tapped into that cosmic force if you will and is sustained by it, and he sustains it, etc .etc.This makes him immortal (unless slain under special circumstances) lets him influence that domain or portfolio, and channel some power to clerics.  He also gets power from worshippers of his temple and the domain in general.Now there is a lot of basic cosmic "sun" power out there, so across the cosmos other "sun" gods may have arisen.Demons managed to tie themselves into their plain of existence or realm, which sustains them like the cosmic power sustains Pelor.  But since that is not a basic cosmic principle, they are not gods as such and get limited power out of their realm.  Localized they are tough, and they are manageng to get some believers to transfer soul power into their realm, raising their power to some extent.Could a demon or devil manage to tie itself to a cosmic principle and become a god?  Possibly, maybe some have done so.  My campaign has a god that started as a demon (Erishgigal the Destroyer), and this may be how Lolth got there. (she's still a demon in my world though)Still overall, my gods are not cosmic forces themselves and tend to be lower level in power than standard DnD.  Bahamut is one of the most powerful (he's a creator diety opposed to Tiamat since 1st ed) and I recently updated my pantheon with 4th ed stats.  So Bahamut is 35? level, Tiamat is 36 (she's tougher, but he's better organized) and ALL the dieties go down from there.  Some demigods (barely attached to a cosmic force and only one at that) come in around 25th level.I set demigods around 25th because with the 4th ed epic destiny you are transitioning to being a demi god from 20th to 30th.Just for grins I will post my deity "relative" chart later.  Not that any one deity is that precisly aligned, but it helps me keep them in perspective.Oh and by the way, one deity did manage to suck up nearly ALL of one particular cosmic force...making him extremley powerful.  Tharizdun.(I know, Tharizdun as the big bad is cliche now, but when you have had an ongoing living campaign for over 20 years...it wasn't cliche then)</blockquote>

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