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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5109754" data-attributes="member: 463">1. Good point about Xiombarg-Lolth, and I'm looking forward to MM3 <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I don't expect the PCs to be taking down Xiombarg in melee combat, but I can see her Aspect making an appearance; like Elric fighting Xiombarg blade-to-blade at the end of Stormbringer.&nbsp; 2. No, I said 31-39 standard, so that lesser god solos are max 30, just as demigod standards are max 30.3. Graz'zt-vs-Orcus IMC: You may recall that in 1e all Layers of the Abyss (etc) are technically the 'same plane'!&nbsp; So both would have been at full power.Mortis-vs-Lolth IMC: Mortis reached Demigod, I can't recall if he was a Demigod in that adventure though.&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyway my approach to 4e is that you don't get to form an Aspect while you are a Demigod (this was true in late 1e also per Greyhawk Adventure's Avatar rules - see Iuz entry), Demigods are Epic level PCs (and in theory standard monsters) of levels 21-30.&nbsp; To exceed level 30 you need to become a full Deity through Ascension*, at which point you are semi-bound to a Plane, can form Aspects, etc. BTW I'm planning to retain Quasi and Hero deity only as terms which refer to Epic (21-30) level characters who do NOT have the Demigod Epic Destiny; ie quasi-deities like Murlynd are quasi-gods, &quot;like gods&quot; but not gods, while hero-deities like Kelanen are 30th level Epic PCs (and similar NPCs) who do not have the Demigod ED but are still worshipped as gods.*A demigod who dies, like Heracles, could be 'taken into heaven' through the intervention of another god, in which case they'll remain part of the pantheon, but forever capped at Demigod level (standard-30 or below).&nbsp; A demigod who completes his Destiny Quest achieves apotheosis, ascends, and becomes a full deity.Re 'Exarch', this term seems to be used very loosely by WoTC, I've seen it refer to what appear to be Paragon-level characters.&nbsp; From what I can tell it just means something like &quot;Divine Henchman&quot;, who can be of any power level less than their god.&nbsp; On that approach Thrin would be Exarch of Tyr, yet Vantor would be Exarch of Thrin.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5109754, member: 463"] 1. Good point about Xiombarg-Lolth, and I'm looking forward to MM3 :D I don't expect the PCs to be taking down Xiombarg in melee combat, but I can see her Aspect making an appearance; like Elric fighting Xiombarg blade-to-blade at the end of [I]Stormbringer[/I]. 2. No, I said 31-39 standard, so that lesser god solos are max 30, just as demigod standards are max 30. 3. Graz'zt-vs-Orcus IMC: You may recall that in 1e all Layers of the Abyss (etc) are technically the 'same plane'! So both would have been at full power. Mortis-vs-Lolth IMC: Mortis reached Demigod, I can't recall if he was a Demigod in that adventure though. Anyway my approach to 4e is that you don't get to form an Aspect while you are a Demigod (this was true in late 1e also per Greyhawk Adventure's Avatar rules - see Iuz entry), Demigods are Epic level PCs (and in theory standard monsters) of levels 21-30. To exceed level 30 you need to become a full Deity through Ascension*, at which point you are semi-bound to a Plane, can form Aspects, etc. BTW I'm planning to retain Quasi and Hero deity only as terms which refer to Epic (21-30) level characters who do NOT have the Demigod Epic Destiny; ie quasi-deities like Murlynd are quasi-gods, "like gods" but not gods, while hero-deities like Kelanen are 30th level Epic PCs (and similar NPCs) who do not have the Demigod ED but are still worshipped as gods. *A demigod who dies, like Heracles, could be 'taken into heaven' through the intervention of another god, in which case they'll remain part of the pantheon, but forever capped at Demigod level (standard-30 or below). A demigod who completes his Destiny Quest achieves apotheosis, ascends, and becomes a full deity. Re 'Exarch', this term seems to be used very loosely by WoTC, I've seen it refer to what appear to be Paragon-level characters. From what I can tell it just means something like "Divine Henchman", who can be of any power level less than their god. On that approach Thrin would be Exarch of Tyr, yet Vantor would be Exarch of Thrin. :) [/QUOTE]

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