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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5044320" data-attributes="member: 463">Couple of points:1.&nbsp; The PCs can start at one edge of the sandbox, they don't have to begin in the middle of it.&nbsp; Eg in Vault of Larin Karr the PCs start at a village at the SW corner of the campaign area.&nbsp; In the West Marches campaign the base town is at the east edge of the sandbox.2. Organic development in any direction the PCs choose to go is a feature of a true Open campaign, but not of a sand box campaign as such.&nbsp; Look at West Marches (seriously - go read the Ars Ludi blog posts about it) - if the PCs go east, they have left the adventure area and they go 'off stage'.&nbsp; The sand box is a defined play area - in VoLK it's Quail Valley, in West Marches it's the wilderness west of the settled lands.&nbsp; The GM&nbsp; might agree to a player request to expand the campaign in the direction the players choose to go - unlike a CRPG sandbox which can't do this unless a new supplement is published - but if anything that's a derogation from the sandbox concept: all sand, no box.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5044320, member: 463"] Couple of points: 1. The PCs can start at one edge of the sandbox, they don't have to begin in the middle of it. Eg in Vault of Larin Karr the PCs start at a village at the SW corner of the campaign area. In the West Marches campaign the base town is at the east edge of the sandbox. 2. Organic development in any direction the PCs choose to go is a feature of a true Open campaign, but not of a sand box campaign as such. Look at West Marches (seriously - go read the Ars Ludi blog posts about it) - if the PCs go east, they have left the adventure area and they go 'off stage'. The sand box is a defined play area - in VoLK it's Quail Valley, in West Marches it's the wilderness west of the settled lands. The GM might agree to a player request to expand the campaign in the direction the players choose to go - unlike a CRPG sandbox which can't do this unless a new supplement is published - but if anything that's a derogation from the sandbox concept: all sand, no box. [/QUOTE]

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