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<blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 4815616" data-attributes="member: 1106">No, I'll accept a novel menagerie when there's a strong theme to the setting so that the selection of PC races doesn't come across as an incoherent mess.&nbsp; e.g. Dark Sun (menagerie) and Al Qadim (humanocentric) have strong themes, whereas Eberron and 4E strike me as incoherent messes with races there just for gimmicky &quot;hey ho what the hell I like dragons and robots doesn't everyone lets have them 24/7&quot; reasons.No, thats just kneejerk ideology based on &quot;the PCs should be the heroes&quot; that you're confusing with actual innovation.&nbsp; And Eberron is retarded because it has magical mundanities which, by making magic mundane part of everyday life, trivialise it.&nbsp; You can't rag on FR about this beyond far off fairytale realms like Halruua and Nimbral, because apart from magical street lamps in some towns and the odd weird inn FR keeps it's magic generally where it should be - somewhere eldritch or arcane.&nbsp; Wizard per square metre head count is irrelevant.Methinks I just think your reasoning is wrong.&nbsp; It could also be called &quot;having a different opinion&quot;.&nbsp; You're no arbiter of rationality, and nor am I, and it's arrogant and naive to assume that your stance is such.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rounser, post: 4815616, member: 1106"] No, I'll accept a novel menagerie when there's a strong theme to the setting so that the selection of PC races doesn't come across as an incoherent mess. e.g. Dark Sun (menagerie) and Al Qadim (humanocentric) have strong themes, whereas Eberron and 4E strike me as incoherent messes with races there just for gimmicky "hey ho what the hell I like dragons and robots doesn't everyone lets have them 24/7" reasons. No, thats just kneejerk ideology based on "the PCs should be the heroes" that you're confusing with actual innovation. And Eberron is retarded because it has magical mundanities which, by making magic mundane part of everyday life, trivialise it. You can't rag on FR about this beyond far off fairytale realms like Halruua and Nimbral, because apart from magical street lamps in some towns and the odd weird inn FR keeps it's magic generally where it should be - somewhere eldritch or arcane. Wizard per square metre head count is irrelevant. Methinks I just think your reasoning is wrong. It could also be called "having a different opinion". You're no arbiter of rationality, and nor am I, and it's arrogant and naive to assume that your stance is such. [/QUOTE]

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