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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9317480" data-attributes="member: 4937">I thought &quot;Trad play IS de-protagonizing&quot; to be a very revealing claim, especially since it seems to require a definition of protagonist that:a) Doesn't agree with the ordinary use of the term.b) Doesn't agree with the typical use of the term as when discussing RPGs.c) Offers a definition of protagonist which most games that people would agree are nar games would fail to meet.&nbsp; d) Seems solely to be offered up to insult other players in the discussion regarding their gaming preferences or else to support the idea that their gaming preferences are better.All the justification seems to depend on straw men like &quot;protagonism is more than spotlight&quot; or &quot;protagonism is more than viewpoint&quot;.&nbsp; Like, duh; a discussion of how trad players feel about &quot;railroads&quot; regardless of spotlight or viewpoint would be in order.On top of that, I have people quibbling with whether my characters could be protagonists because they were weak and not effective which I think is a huge tell here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 9317480, member: 4937"] I thought "Trad play IS de-protagonizing" to be a very revealing claim, especially since it seems to require a definition of protagonist that: a) Doesn't agree with the ordinary use of the term. b) Doesn't agree with the typical use of the term as when discussing RPGs. c) Offers a definition of protagonist which most games that people would agree are nar games would fail to meet. d) Seems solely to be offered up to insult other players in the discussion regarding their gaming preferences or else to support the idea that their gaming preferences are better. All the justification seems to depend on straw men like "protagonism is more than spotlight" or "protagonism is more than viewpoint". Like, duh; a discussion of how trad players feel about "railroads" regardless of spotlight or viewpoint would be in order. On top of that, I have people quibbling with whether my characters could be protagonists because they were weak and not effective which I think is a huge tell here. [/QUOTE]

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