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<blockquote data-quote="Crimson Longinus" data-source="post: 9330377" data-attributes="member: 7025508">Like I said, I think the GM's account of the events might be biased.&nbsp; Still openly challenging a monarch in their own court is very likely to end badly for you. Now what could and perhaps should have happened is that act garnering sympathies of some people who were not that fond of the monarch, which might then help the characters later to escape, and perhaps to eventually take down the tyrant. But I don't think expecting all courtiers to rise against the king because one PC challenges him is particularly sensible. I don't think player agency requires that the player should be free to completely ignore the fictional positioning, and expect every sort of madness to succeed in the way they want. I mean I really don't care about narrativism. I just care when people make overreaching claims, either directly or implicitly, about what is and isn't possible in games I'm familiar with. And loosely tie this back to the original topic, I think Critical Role play exhibit several of the characteristics you ascribe to narrativism, though I don't think it really is such. But it is interesting that they're making a narrativistish game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crimson Longinus, post: 9330377, member: 7025508"] Like I said, I think the GM's account of the events might be biased. Still openly challenging a monarch in their own court is very likely to end badly for you. Now what could and perhaps should have happened is that act garnering sympathies of some people who were not that fond of the monarch, which might then help the characters later to escape, and perhaps to eventually take down the tyrant. But I don't think expecting all courtiers to rise against the king because one PC challenges him is particularly sensible. I don't think player agency requires that the player should be free to completely ignore the fictional positioning, and expect every sort of madness to succeed in the way they want. I mean I really don't care about narrativism. I just care when people make overreaching claims, either directly or implicitly, about what is and isn't possible in games I'm familiar with. And loosely tie this back to the original topic, I think Critical Role play exhibit several of the characteristics you ascribe to narrativism, though I don't think it really is such. But it is interesting that they're making a narrativistish game. [/QUOTE]

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