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<blockquote data-quote="Crimson Longinus" data-source="post: 9331793" data-attributes="member: 7025508">But it was not required. We could have just chosen to rob a jewel shop or something. It was just something we chose to do. I mean most games do not have confusingly overlapping redundant skills in the first place. I just do not see this as meaningful or interesting expression of agency.Are you sure? Doe this mean anything, however ludicrous, is possible? I don't think so.Sure. I don't think this makes the game better for supporting this sort of play, it merely is more limited in what it can support.Sure, that it does, and I think that is concrete effect the mechanics create. I just don't think this makes things more player driven. Vampire. Ars Magica. I think many games. Just establish the fiction. BIFTs are simplification of a nuanced concepts. It's like personality and motivation training wheels. It is nice if you need it, but I don't think many people do. Again, it really is about the fiction, not the mechanics.Yet you cannot articulate it either. No, I don't think we are playing it wrong, it just isn't that special.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crimson Longinus, post: 9331793, member: 7025508"] But it was not required. We could have just chosen to rob a jewel shop or something. It was just something we chose to do. I mean most games do not have confusingly overlapping redundant skills in the first place. I just do not see this as meaningful or interesting expression of agency. Are you sure? Doe this mean anything, however ludicrous, is possible? I don't think so. Sure. I don't think this makes the game better for supporting this sort of play, it merely is more limited in what it can support. Sure, that it does, and I think that is concrete effect the mechanics create. I just don't think this makes things more player driven. Vampire. Ars Magica. I think many games. Just establish the fiction. BIFTs are simplification of a nuanced concepts. It's like personality and motivation training wheels. It is nice if you need it, but I don't think many people do. Again, it really is about the fiction, not the mechanics. Yet you cannot articulate it either. No, I don't think we are playing it wrong, it just isn't that special. [/QUOTE]

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