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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9332346" data-attributes="member: 42582">In that case the story is not supervening on the assemblage: the relationship is closer to one of identity.But in ergodic literature, it's not true that changing the assemblage changes the story. Eg I can take different paths through a choose your own adventure book and still have the same story revealed.Yes I am. Players aren't part of any assemblage on which any story supervenes, or by which any story is constituted.Also, I think it's impossible, or close to impossible, for the author of ergodic literature to also be the audience. Because if you are author, you don't need to &quot;assemble&quot; the story in any ergodic fashion. You know what you have authored.In any event, I think all these notions have extremely limited utility for the RPG case.It might make sense to talk about a &quot;ludonarrative&quot; in the case of 4e D&amp;D combat, which - by mechanical design - generates a heroic rally in play. But the stories that I report when I talk about my RPGing - eg Aedhros encountering Thoth, or Golin killing Megloss after Megloss killed Gerda after Gerda nearly killed Fea-bella after Fea-bella confronted Gerda after Gerda stole Fea-bella's Elfstone - are not &quot;ludonarratives&quot;. They are just stories, which were created by me and my friends in the course of RPGing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9332346, member: 42582"] In that case the story is not supervening on the assemblage: the relationship is closer to one of identity. But in ergodic literature, it's not true that changing the assemblage changes the story. Eg I can take different paths through a choose your own adventure book and still have the same story revealed. Yes I am. Players aren't part of any assemblage on which any story supervenes, or by which any story is constituted. Also, I think it's impossible, or close to impossible, for the author of ergodic literature to also be the audience. Because if you are author, you don't need to "assemble" the story in any ergodic fashion. You know what you have authored. In any event, I think all these notions have extremely limited utility for the RPG case. It might make sense to talk about a "ludonarrative" in the case of 4e D&D combat, which - by mechanical design - generates a heroic rally in play. But the stories that I report when I talk about my RPGing - eg Aedhros encountering Thoth, or Golin killing Megloss after Megloss killed Gerda after Gerda nearly killed Fea-bella after Fea-bella confronted Gerda after Gerda stole Fea-bella's Elfstone - are not "ludonarratives". They are just stories, which were created by me and my friends in the course of RPGing. [/QUOTE]

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