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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mournblade94" data-source="post: 4728681" data-attributes="member: 74608">That does not mean the rules system is bad. It could just be the individual reader has a mental block. It could be an overly complex rule, but it could also jsut be a mental block.  I have difficulty seeing what would make someone liking overly complex rules system invalid for discussion. I know plenty of people that enjoy games for the math component. I like stochiometry because it is fun to solve the problems. What would make an overly complex (which is often just an opinion) rules system invalid. Is Rolemaster invalid for this discussion as example.  Why are these games not valid comparisons?   I don't think any player that plays these concepts would complain about the rules system not allowing them to shine, because that obviously is not their goal. How are you defining a valid concept? Valid to this discussion? Any character you can possibly make is valid for the game. you might be able to define characters invalid to a rules system discussion.  I don't know of this system, but if the point of the game is storytelling and NOT combat, yes I can see this as an invalid concept. I cannot see the paladin you listed above as being invalid for a D&D game however.   I THought I was getting it. This is very confusing as to what defines a valid concept.  Very often "what the game is about" is up to the DM. You mentioned Exalted above, and from what I have played of it, it is not necessarily a combat oriented game.</blockquote>

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