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What makes setting lore "actually matter" to the players?
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<blockquote data-quote="RenleyRenfield" data-source="post: 9815848" data-attributes="member: 7044197"><p>Well.... let's keep going with this line of thought, because it has some points that can be discussed.</p><p></p><p>Starting with <strong>"aesthetics"</strong> which you seem to agree, <strong>"just amounts to humans doing cosplay.".</strong>... <strong>"I agree that these things aren't necessarily "lore,"</strong></p><p></p><p>So... let's dig into why someone might balk or become<strong> frustrated with "aesthetics as lore".</strong> =</p><p>When a person buys an rpg book to learn it and play it, or even joins an rpg game = and someone says <em>"this is the lore of the world"</em> , and it just is "aesthetics" of different ears and skins. Then<strong> that person could be very let down.</strong> because that stuff isn't lore.</p><p></p><p>Let's take Vulcans of Star Trek. This show goes out of their way to say these Races have <em>Lore </em>that far far far surpasses their superficial looks. In fact, <strong>the Majority of <em>all </em>interactions with Vulcans is in regards to the <em>Lore </em>= <em>not their looks!</em> </strong></p><p></p><p>This is a good example of a setting having 'lore' and then from that lore there was built physiology, and that physiology backs up evolutionary and technological and cultural divergence from humanity. Then from there we can have a few scenes of 'Vulcan ears' which give that fun of being non-human. (that let's be honest, tech or magic could also provide, and a good show like Star Trek acknowledges this - Forgotten Realms/Golarion/etc etc = do not. )</p><p></p><p>Tell me WHY the troll has ascetic monk martial arts. What about their physiology, history, and evolution and magic made that ever a thing at all... the humans had monks but they make wine and pen books...they don't do martial arts. So let's get into why the Trolls did, they have magic, they have tools... or do they? What was their evolutionary history 40,000 years before they invented martial arts? <strong>We don't need the whole timeline, but there should be Some lore that points back at something that isn't just skin-swapped humans... </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>------------------------</strong></p><p><strong>final note: </strong>yes its ok for folks to not care. its ok for folks to be happy with just bunny ears on humans. This is not a qualitative demand, its a discussion to help folks find better terms and sources for what they do like and how to politely avoid things they dont.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RenleyRenfield, post: 9815848, member: 7044197"] Well.... let's keep going with this line of thought, because it has some points that can be discussed. Starting with [B]"aesthetics"[/B] which you seem to agree, [B]"just amounts to humans doing cosplay.".[/B]... [B]"I agree that these things aren't necessarily "lore,"[/B] So... let's dig into why someone might balk or become[B] frustrated with "aesthetics as lore".[/B] = When a person buys an rpg book to learn it and play it, or even joins an rpg game = and someone says [I]"this is the lore of the world"[/I] , and it just is "aesthetics" of different ears and skins. Then[B] that person could be very let down.[/B] because that stuff isn't lore. Let's take Vulcans of Star Trek. This show goes out of their way to say these Races have [I]Lore [/I]that far far far surpasses their superficial looks. In fact, [B]the Majority of [I]all [/I]interactions with Vulcans is in regards to the [I]Lore [/I]= [I]not their looks![/I] [/B] This is a good example of a setting having 'lore' and then from that lore there was built physiology, and that physiology backs up evolutionary and technological and cultural divergence from humanity. Then from there we can have a few scenes of 'Vulcan ears' which give that fun of being non-human. (that let's be honest, tech or magic could also provide, and a good show like Star Trek acknowledges this - Forgotten Realms/Golarion/etc etc = do not. ) Tell me WHY the troll has ascetic monk martial arts. What about their physiology, history, and evolution and magic made that ever a thing at all... the humans had monks but they make wine and pen books...they don't do martial arts. So let's get into why the Trolls did, they have magic, they have tools... or do they? What was their evolutionary history 40,000 years before they invented martial arts? [B]We don't need the whole timeline, but there should be Some lore that points back at something that isn't just skin-swapped humans... ------------------------ final note: [/B]yes its ok for folks to not care. its ok for folks to be happy with just bunny ears on humans. This is not a qualitative demand, its a discussion to help folks find better terms and sources for what they do like and how to politely avoid things they dont. [/QUOTE]
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