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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RenleyRenfield" data-source="post: 9838103" data-attributes="member: 7044197">There is a world of difference in the quality of person, when one says "I prefer X because my taste/interests is Y." versus the person who says "X is a terrible change, I wanted Y and they didn't do that, so this thing is terrible."  People can work with and build off the first. Not much of anything can be done with the second.One is someone saying what they like and what they hoped to see.  The other is an entitled person thinkin their desires were the only ones that mattered.   Again, see my star wars convention example... I think you made interesting point in your WoD example. Like your example of initial changes or lore introduction to WoD stuff, there are other games that greatly benefit from that too.   Maybe there was some aspect you fell in love with for some game's lore early on. But after time, you see that the changes they made enabled the game to be played more to what you actually wanted.   In fact, lore/metaplot a retcon, especially in 90s rpgs, can go a long ways towards a game playing the way you thought it did - far better than the original lore. My example is vampire.   Going from poorly developed Sabbat metaplots to deeply rich Lancea Sanctum was a HUGE lore change, but Lancea is sooo much better!  And really, it was a tiny effort to bring in any old aspects of Sabbat i did like.  Heck, some changes to lore and metaplot seem so big when read the first time.  Then playing through you are like, "oh, this is basically the same as before, just framed different or with changes that don't change what it is or does, and also better enable other areas the game desperately needed." I think someone else mentioned that- game design is not really in the mind of the player/consumer.  Its a much more broad view of what its like to actually play the game, play it lots, and play it many different ways.  So lore changes are better, and its backed by other elements of the game that are now better supported, ones that benefit even the most bull-headed of "I never want changes" players. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Oh hey, this guys a badguy now, and these factions are no longer framed as this exact list of factions = that fixed soooo much about vampire that they kept that process/lore in v5 too.   While still enabling old sabbat play.  Other old games/lore will benefit from this too.</blockquote>

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