Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
What makes Undead, Undead? and are all Undead evil?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 3095806" data-attributes="member: 15538"><p>Undead existence is inimical to life, and mindless undead attack the living. While negative energy is not per se, evil, the relationship of positive and negative energy to life is so essential that for an intelligent being to tap into that power is basically evil. In the case of turning and rebuking, the connection is powerful enough that turning undead is always good and rebuking them always evil. In the case of inflict spells, the negative energy basically just burns someone, which is not the same thing. While turning undead is a good act, it is not only the use of positive energy which makes it good, although that is part and parcel in it. Turning undead affects spirits and souls through positive energy. </p><p></p><p>Now, something like a ghost has enough intelligence that it can have its own alignment, which can be quite different than an existence inimical to life. A ghost's existence might be, in some definition, evil or inimical, but the ghost may choose not to act in an evil fashion. </p><p></p><p>Something like a shadow or a vampire (or a nightwalker) has a different relationship with negative energy, essentially being animated by a negative energy force rather than a shell of a person's soul. </p><p></p><p>I think the final answers to these questions really depend on your campaign's cosmology, the nature of the soul, and so forth. IMC, at least, undeath is a condition that emanates from the Negative Energy Plane, but is not identical to negative energy. Undeath is hateful to life, and even a good ghost or reformed lich leads an existence that is ultimately draining on the living in both a physical and spiritual sense. </p><p></p><p>Thus, a LG ghost either passes on, fades away, or evolves... possibly into a more vengeful ghost, but perhaps into something like a spectre. </p><p></p><p>IMC, undeath is inherently parasitic. Even something like a nightwalker ultimately owes its existence to the spiritual energy of living things tinged with suffering. Without death, there would be no undeath.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 3095806, member: 15538"] Undead existence is inimical to life, and mindless undead attack the living. While negative energy is not per se, evil, the relationship of positive and negative energy to life is so essential that for an intelligent being to tap into that power is basically evil. In the case of turning and rebuking, the connection is powerful enough that turning undead is always good and rebuking them always evil. In the case of inflict spells, the negative energy basically just burns someone, which is not the same thing. While turning undead is a good act, it is not only the use of positive energy which makes it good, although that is part and parcel in it. Turning undead affects spirits and souls through positive energy. Now, something like a ghost has enough intelligence that it can have its own alignment, which can be quite different than an existence inimical to life. A ghost's existence might be, in some definition, evil or inimical, but the ghost may choose not to act in an evil fashion. Something like a shadow or a vampire (or a nightwalker) has a different relationship with negative energy, essentially being animated by a negative energy force rather than a shell of a person's soul. I think the final answers to these questions really depend on your campaign's cosmology, the nature of the soul, and so forth. IMC, at least, undeath is a condition that emanates from the Negative Energy Plane, but is not identical to negative energy. Undeath is hateful to life, and even a good ghost or reformed lich leads an existence that is ultimately draining on the living in both a physical and spiritual sense. Thus, a LG ghost either passes on, fades away, or evolves... possibly into a more vengeful ghost, but perhaps into something like a spectre. IMC, undeath is inherently parasitic. Even something like a nightwalker ultimately owes its existence to the spiritual energy of living things tinged with suffering. Without death, there would be no undeath. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
What makes Undead, Undead? and are all Undead evil?
Top