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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 1669896" data-attributes="member: 1757">Well, MoE is far, far better than ES/EA. Actually, the usual pattern for PrCs is to require a feat or ability as a prereq and then give out a massively improved version of that feat or ability as a class ability of the PrC, so arguably, archmage could even require ES/EA for the MoE ability and still probably have that ability be worth it!I will disagree with this; I think that given the spell slots-for-abilities system with which the archmage works, and the ability to get around known spell limitations by using Arcane Fire and MoE, the sorcerer gains potentially more from the class. OTOH, the sorcerer has to spend more to get in; as Pax said, Nonetheless, I agree with you regarding ES/EA as a metamagic feat, Thanee, because a) the FRA casting time is usually not a big deal for direct damage energy spells, since a sorc doesn't usually need to cast those and move in the same round, and b) ES/EA dramatically increases a sorc's spell repertoire. Moreover, given the usual idea behind metamagic feats vs. general feats, if ES/EA were a general feat, it would logically affect all the caster's applicable spells (like Eschew Materials), in which case a wizard wouldn't need to prepare his spells differently to gain the feat's benefits, which would make ES/EA better for the wizard than the sorc.</blockquote>