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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 4365086" data-attributes="member: 71699">DM: Your check beats the monster. You avoid notice, unheard, and hidden from view.Player: Great! What does that mean again? Am I invisible?DM: Let me explain. Imagine you are the monster... If you can see*, you know what square to attackThere's no guess-work here. Your target isn't totally concealed or invisible. Either you saw where he ducked down or you see a blur in the shadows, or whatever. If you can't see, you don't know where to attackIf you were blinded, you wouldn't know where your target was. Maybe they're still where they were last time you knew? If you do not feel threatened, you pay attention to something elseBy guile or misdirection, that target just doesn't seem so important any more. If you do feel threatened, you can pay attention to themThey're not invisible and you know where they are. You're allowed to attack them with a -2 penalty, or use minors to get a better fix on them. Your friends can, too. You can call on help from any of your friends who don't feel threatened by this guy yet. They have combat advantage against youYou're confused by their guile and misdirection. Is that blade coming from the left, or the right, or... *or use your primary sense unhindered. -vk</blockquote>