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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kouk" data-source="post: 4365526" data-attributes="member: 55992">I am also unclear what this thread's goal is, but I will argue just because it is the internet. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I think the circumstances are important.If a creature hides in the first place, and nobody was ever aware of him, he may as well be invisible. Hiding is actually using the Stealth skill, which combines actual hiding and just moving without making any noise. A successful Stealth check means you aren't seen OR heard, because the opposing Perception check could be either.If a creature is invisible (to you) but not necessarily silent, you might still figure out his square with Perception. See the sidebar on page 281. If you are aware of a creature (fighting or looking at, or pinpointing with sound) and the creature somehow uses Stealth to bypass your Perception, then I think he basically just "disappears" as far as you know. Regardless of how, you just don't know exactly where he is now. However, depending on where he was when you last knew his location, you might start with a good idea of where to try attacking. You can attack squares near where you last saw him, but he probably counts as invisible and gets the total concealment bonus against melee and ranged attacks. If a creature vanishes from my sight but I just saw where he was a moment ago, I would consider lobbing a Fireball in the general area and hope to hit him.</blockquote>

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