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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ryryguy" data-source="post: 4367227" data-attributes="member: 64945">vonklaude, I guess this is an expansion of your answer to  my query in your previous Stealth thread.  (I had to jump back a bit to find that, it scrolled pretty far off the front page.) I think you've described a fairly good way to handle this.  I definitely agree that Stealth should not make a character effectively invisible.  (I didn't mean to imply that I thought it should in my query in the other thread, btw.)  Basically you're suggesting the stealthed character should be targetable as normal, with no benefits to his defense apart from the cover/concealment he's already enjoying. I do think the "fluff" is starting to get pretty strained at this point.  An enemy who finds you with an active Perception check and "calls out" to his buddies, a scenario mentioned by Mearls and also I believe in your previous thread - he's cancelling out the Stealth-granted CA, right, not pinpointing location.  So what is he calling out now?  Not, "Hey!  He's over here behind this chair!"  but "Hey!  He's holding the knife down low... and he's actually getting ready to attack Frank, not Joe like it seems!"  Ok, yeah... it still may work pretty well as a matter of rules at the table, but the fluff is definitely starting to get kind of weird. Another thing, the point about if the enemy can't see then maybe he does lose location of the Stealthed guy.  This could also apply if the Stealthed guy ducked behind total cover or concealment.  In this case, if the Stealthed guy moved into a simple cover/concealment square that is in sight, successfully using Stealth for the move, does the enemy now pick up his location again, reverting to "Stealth just grants CA" again?  I guess I'd probably play no, once he managed to "break contact", it takes the Perception check or something else breaking the stealth to reveal his location again.  Interestingly, this is how some of the people with stricter interpretation of Stealth seem to play it - but they go on to add that if you don't break contact, then Stealth in combat after you've been revealed effectively does nothing.  No CA.</blockquote>

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