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What monsters should be in a sequel to Tome of Horrors?
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<blockquote data-quote="Gez" data-source="post: 744274" data-attributes="member: 1328"><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Aranea are in the MM, but araneas from Mystara (Red Steel/Savage Coast) were seriously weaker. An ECL 0 version of them, maybe ?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Quickling ? ToH</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Grippli ? ToH</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Formian Queen ? That's in the MM, unless you meant unique creatures like lawful equivalent of slaad lords.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Variant Displacer Beast ? <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42408" target="_blank">Shameless Plug</a>, and there is the Kamadan in the ToH</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Variant Mind Flayer ? Between the <a href="http://www.philipjreed.com/images/possessorspreview.pdf" target="_blank">Possessors</a>, the Voiceless Ones (coming from Paradigm), and the Cephalyx/Mind Rapers from Privateer's Monsternomicon, reprinting one of those d20 creatures may be more appropriate than creating yet one again.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Variant Beholder ? Same comment as right above, although I would somewhat like to see the Tyrant put back into Eye Tyrant, and see a variant that would combine both the Eyes and the Flayers in one freaking monstruosity...</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Chevall ? Couldn't they be made by bending the rules a little and applying the Therianthrope template on a centaur ?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Decapus ? ToH</li> </ul><p></p><p>My Own List :</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Amber Dragon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Moonstone Dragon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/dragon/yellow_dragon.htm" target="_blank">Yellow Dragon</a> (the fiery-sand-breathing, desert-dwelling version). It has already been converted, I'd like to see it in print.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">More Dragonets. The Crow's Nest Dragon (Dragon Mag #272), the Kodragon (Dragonlance MC2)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Magens from Mystara. They're cool.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lupins & Rakasta. Maybe Cayman, Hutaakan and Tortle as well.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Since we need Mind Flayer replacement, the Neh-Thalggu (Brain Collectors) could be adequately reprinted.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Witchlights !</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Equaar. Cool planar mounts for everyone !</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Comet Steed</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hatori</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Kyrie (DL MC2) could serve as OGC Aarakocra.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Law & Chaos Elementals, maybe Fundamentals.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some more lycanthrope template. Wereswine...</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Living Statues</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Tabi</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=668" target="_blank">Nonafel</a>: Another possible replacement for Displacer Beast.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/magical_beast/kirre.htm" target="_blank">Kirre</a>: Same comment as above</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/template/lamia_noble.htm" target="_blank">Lamia Noble</a> (By the way, since the template may only be applied on Lamia, wouldn't it be better to make it a base creature rather than a template ?)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=498" target="_blank">Galltrit</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_t.php?TemplateID=20" target="_blank">Aleax</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/crypt/clockwork_horror.htm" target="_blank">Copper & Silver Horrors</a> ? Only the four superior types are in the MM2. Personally, I think they complement well the clockworks from the ToH.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Crypt Cat</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Faery Cat, or Cath Shee</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Marl: Sortoff Yuan-ti replacement</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/magical_beast/dracosphinx.htm" target="_blank">Dracosphinx</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Dracon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/aberration/krakentua.htm" target="_blank">Krakentua</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Tagster and Tigone psionic cats (Dark Sun MC)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cistern Fiend</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=468" target="_blank">Urd</a> (But they should have the Kobold subtype, as they are a kobold subrace)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Aasimon: <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=431" target="_blank">Agathinon</a> & <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=662" target="_blank">Light</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Guardinal, <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=685" target="_blank">Equinal</a> & <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=684" target="_blank">Ursinal</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Archon: <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=665" target="_blank">Sword</a>, <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=664" target="_blank">Throne</a>, <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=663" target="_blank">Tome</a>, <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=666" target="_blank">Warden</a>. Hey, have you constated that the Warden Archon has a CreatureID of 666 ? Mmmh...</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hordling</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Molydeus Demon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wastrilith</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Larva</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gez, post: 744274, member: 1328"] [list] [*]Aranea are in the MM, but araneas from Mystara (Red Steel/Savage Coast) were seriously weaker. An ECL 0 version of them, maybe ? [*]Quickling ? ToH [*]Grippli ? ToH [*]Formian Queen ? That's in the MM, unless you meant unique creatures like lawful equivalent of slaad lords. [*]Variant Displacer Beast ? [url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42408]Shameless Plug[/url], and there is the Kamadan in the ToH [*]Variant Mind Flayer ? Between the [url=http://www.philipjreed.com/images/possessorspreview.pdf]Possessors[/url], the Voiceless Ones (coming from Paradigm), and the Cephalyx/Mind Rapers from Privateer's Monsternomicon, reprinting one of those d20 creatures may be more appropriate than creating yet one again. [*]Variant Beholder ? Same comment as right above, although I would somewhat like to see the Tyrant put back into Eye Tyrant, and see a variant that would combine both the Eyes and the Flayers in one freaking monstruosity... [*]Chevall ? Couldn't they be made by bending the rules a little and applying the Therianthrope template on a centaur ? [*]Decapus ? ToH [/list] My Own List : [list] [*]Amber Dragon [*]Moonstone Dragon [*][url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/dragon/yellow_dragon.htm]Yellow Dragon[/url] (the fiery-sand-breathing, desert-dwelling version). It has already been converted, I'd like to see it in print. [*]More Dragonets. The Crow's Nest Dragon (Dragon Mag #272), the Kodragon (Dragonlance MC2) [*]Magens from Mystara. They're cool. [*]Lupins & Rakasta. Maybe Cayman, Hutaakan and Tortle as well. [*]Since we need Mind Flayer replacement, the Neh-Thalggu (Brain Collectors) could be adequately reprinted. [*]Witchlights ! [*]The Equaar. Cool planar mounts for everyone ! [*]Comet Steed [*]Hatori [*]Kyrie (DL MC2) could serve as OGC Aarakocra. [*]Law & Chaos Elementals, maybe Fundamentals. [*]Some more lycanthrope template. Wereswine... [*]Living Statues [*]Tabi [*][url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=668]Nonafel[/url]: Another possible replacement for Displacer Beast. [*][url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/magical_beast/kirre.htm]Kirre[/url]: Same comment as above [*][url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/template/lamia_noble.htm]Lamia Noble[/url] (By the way, since the template may only be applied on Lamia, wouldn't it be better to make it a base creature rather than a template ?) [*][url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=498]Galltrit[/url] [*][url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_t.php?TemplateID=20]Aleax[/url] [*][url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/crypt/clockwork_horror.htm]Copper & Silver Horrors[/url] ? Only the four superior types are in the MM2. Personally, I think they complement well the clockworks from the ToH. [*]Crypt Cat [*]Faery Cat, or Cath Shee [*]Marl: Sortoff Yuan-ti replacement [*][url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/magical_beast/dracosphinx.htm]Dracosphinx[/url] [*]Dracon [*][url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/aberration/krakentua.htm]Krakentua[/url] [*]Tagster and Tigone psionic cats (Dark Sun MC) [*]Cistern Fiend [*][url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=468]Urd[/url] (But they should have the Kobold subtype, as they are a kobold subrace) [*]Aasimon: [url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=431]Agathinon[/url] & [url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=662]Light[/url] [*]Guardinal, [url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=685]Equinal[/url] & [url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=684]Ursinal[/url] [*]Archon: [url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=665]Sword[/url], [url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=664]Throne[/url], [url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=663]Tome[/url], [url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=666]Warden[/url]. Hey, have you constated that the Warden Archon has a CreatureID of 666 ? Mmmh... [*]Hordling [*]Molydeus Demon [*]Wastrilith [*]Larva [/list] [/QUOTE]
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