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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 2836235" data-attributes="member: 29746">No, I think SpiralBound means the sort of thing I did myself in my homebrew- basically, every race (including those from original core) is deliberately made powerful enough to be worth a +2 LA. For instance, humans in my game world get +2 to all ability scores except CHA, and one minor save bonus usable only in specific circumstances. PHB humans, straight out of core, don't exist at all on this world- if you play human, you play it with the adjustments.What then happens is, once all the races are worth +2, you just drop the +2 and let everybody start at 1st level without any actual adjustment to ECL. Since the whole point of the +2 LA is to balance the powerful race against other PCs of the less-powerful races, it can be eliminated, because every race is balanced to +2. See? Basically, once every race is balanced to be worth +2, you just subtract 2 from any LA a playable race has.The one problem with this approach is, as SpiralBound noted, that the "phantom level adjustment" is still there with regard to stacking up the PCs against monsters. Because the PCs are more powerful, you'll need to throw bigger nasties against them to give the same challenge. But that, in and of itself, isn't any more difficult than adding power to the weak races to bring them up to +2 LA- actually, it's a lot easier, because you can just use critters 2 CR higher than normal without many (or any) adjustments. The only thing you need to watch for in this case is equipment- PCs won't have equipment matching their "phantom level" if you go this route.EDIT: ...And I just realized after rereading the posts above more carefully that Kesh wasn't even referring to the option I just explained at length. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> Gah! This is what I get for posting when not fully awake. Sorry for any confusion.But anyway, I've been using the "phantom level adjustment" method for years now, and been having lots of fun with it. Two thumbs up, highly recommended. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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