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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4345322" data-attributes="member: 710">Classes: The talents are bland in actual play, and I think they also don't work that well. The mechanics are inconsistent (roll level against DC, cause saving throw and so on)The idea I like most at the moment is splitting classes or rather character advancement in two components - a combat role (Controller, Defender, Leader, Striker) and a non-combat role (Face, Sage, Wheelman, Techie*)Basically, every character selects one combat and one non-combat role. Combat roles grant combat-related powers, and non-combat roles non-combat related powers, obviously. Think for non-combat along the lines of utility powers, but with little to no use in combat. This would probably include a lot of &quot;meta-game&quot; mechanic stuff, maybe with powers like &quot;Idea!&quot; or &quot;Connection&quot; or &quot;Short-Cut&quot;. *) there have been several ideas on non-combat roles, and there might be some work required to distill the best ones. This list is definitely incomplete.I think a heavy focus on grid-based combat might be inappropriate for the moder genre, so a stronger abstraction of movement and positions might be required. A big question might be: How generic is the game to be? Default assumption would be as generic a d20 modern, but is that what WotC will be doing? It could be an &quot;Urban Arcana&quot; game...EDIT:There is another d20 Modern thread that talks about updating modern to 4E: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=218098" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=218098</a>What should also be investigated: Can the 4E Fantasy concpet of Tiers be used in Modern? How so? Or should it be used differently? Maybe use one tier as &quot;Superhero&quot; tier?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4345322, member: 710"] Classes: The talents are bland in actual play, and I think they also don't work that well. The mechanics are inconsistent (roll level against DC, cause saving throw and so on) The idea I like most at the moment is splitting classes or rather character advancement in two components - a combat role (Controller, Defender, Leader, Striker) and a non-combat role (Face, Sage, Wheelman, Techie*) Basically, every character selects one combat and one non-combat role. Combat roles grant combat-related powers, and non-combat roles non-combat related powers, obviously. Think for non-combat along the lines of utility powers, but with little to no use in combat. This would probably include a lot of "meta-game" mechanic stuff, maybe with powers like "Idea!" or "Connection" or "Short-Cut". [size=1] *) there have been several ideas on non-combat roles, and there might be some work required to distill the best ones. This list is definitely incomplete. [/size] I think a heavy focus on grid-based combat might be inappropriate for the moder genre, so a stronger abstraction of movement and positions might be required. A big question might be: How generic is the game to be? Default assumption would be as generic a d20 modern, but is that what WotC will be doing? It could be an "Urban Arcana" game... EDIT: There is another d20 Modern thread that talks about updating modern to 4E: [url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=218098[/url] What should also be investigated: Can the 4E Fantasy concpet of Tiers be used in Modern? How so? Or should it be used differently? Maybe use one tier as "Superhero" tier? [/QUOTE]

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